Is there a real chance of communion between the Catholic Church and the orthodox?

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dvdjs said:
Why do you ask?
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Because some of the issues mentioned as reasons to excommunicate Michael Cerularius and his followers don’t seem to make too much sense. After all, how is it consistent to condemn a church for having a married priesthood and omitting the filioque, but then later on, allow it in your own church?
 
AlNg said:
After all, how is it consistent to condemn a church for having a married priesthood and omitting the filioque, but then later on, allow it in your own church?
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Oh, I see you are deflecting.
But before you do, let me again point out that the Bull does not actually accuse the EO of “omitting” let alone deleting the filioque. And again the issue raised was not marriage, but carnal marriage.
 
Lenten_ashes said:
I can not see full reunification. Rome has defined too much which angers the east…and the east just doesn’t like us very much, tbh.
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Yep, pretty much. Eastern Orthodox generally have no desire for reunification with Rome.
Lenten_ashes said:
Now, I could see a state in which both sides freely allow each other’s laity to receive Holy Communion in each other’s churches. It’s already sorta happening but I’m talking about a day in which an Orthodox divine liturgy fulfills your Sunday obligation as a Catholic. I could see that happening in my lifetime…both sides easing up some.
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As great as that would be, I think even this is optimistic. Apparently if an EO receives Communion in a Catholic church, he is potentially excommunicated from his church.
 
dvdjs said:
the Bull does not actually accuse the EO of “omitting” … the filioque.
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“Like Pneumatomachoi or Theomachoi, they cut off the procession of the Holy Spirit from the Son;”
dvdjs said:
And again the issue raised was not marriage, but carnal marriage.
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If that is something to be condemned why does the Roman Catholic Church allow it now? The natural moral law does not change, does it?
 
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With all due respect, the Seven ecumenical councils from Nicea I to Nicea II speak of the one, Holy, Catholic & Apostolic Church.
 
That an EO is excommunicated if they receive in a Catholic church. The same was Catholic practice before VII.

When my Ukrainian Greek Catholic grandmother passed away, my RO uncle & aunt did not participate in the Liturgy nor did they receive Communion.

When my RO uncle died, my parents told us we couldn’t participate in the service nor even say “Amen.” And as I’ve posted previously, my paternal RO aunt was a very devout RO. Seriously, she’d go ballistic if she saw a Catholic going up for communion in a RO church. (She died 1.5 years after my uncle.)

I could not in good conscience participate in an Orthodox service. It breaks my heart that we’re so close and yet so far apart.
 
Margaret_Ann said:
With all due respect, the Seven ecumenical councils from Nicea I to Nicea II speak of the one, Holy, Catholic & Apostolic Church.
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The official name of the Eastern Orthodox Church is the Orthodox Catholic church. The Roman Church broke from the Orthodox Catholic Church in their view.
 
thistle said:
It is not an attitude. It is a fact that the Orthodox is a schismatic part of the Catholic Church and not the other way round.
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We Are All Schismatics by Melkite Greek Catholic Archbishop Elias Zoghby of blessed memory. Great read.

ZP
 
dvdjs said:
Deflection.
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It is just a simple question about the natural moral law as applied to carnal marriage of clergy.
Does the natural moral law change? Does the natural moral law forbid carnal marriage of clergy in the Greek Church in 1054, but OTOH does the natural moral law allow the carnal marriage of clergy in the Roman Church in 2019?
 
AlNg said:
It is just a simple question about the natural moral law as applied to carnal marriage of clergy.
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I ma not an expert on natural moral law. Perhaps you should start a thread on this matter on the appropriate forum.
 
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Margaret_Ann said:
That an EO is excommunicated if they receive in a Catholic church. The same was Catholic practice before VII.
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This is what one EO person told me, although no doubt it is possible that practices vary and that perhaps not all branches are so hard-line.
Margaret_Ann said:
It breaks my heart that we’re so close and yet so far apart.
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Yes, I feel the same way!
 
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It’s pretty slim. Any respect there might be for eastern practices and faith is very recent, and besides that they would have to accept universal jurisdiction so the potential that that respect is only temporary is a very real possibility. So why would they want to come into communion with Rome when it is a real possibility that they might just be seen as underlings of the Church of Rome who hold to an ‘antiquated’ view of the faith that potentially needs updated like the western church has done with itself?
 
That is even less likely. The contrast is much deeper, and the particular differences we have with the Eastern Orthodox are all shared by the Oriental Orthodox.
 
thistle said:
The Catholic Church is right whether you wish to believe it or not.
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OK. Tell that to the non-Catholics and see what they say. I suspect that they might point out cases where the Catholic Church was wrong, or at least they think so. For example, the burning of heretics or capital punishment in general. Most people would agree that it was wrong to burn Joan of Arc alive at the stake.
 
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