Is there a real chance of communion between the Catholic Church and the orthodox?

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He’s not lashing out in an ad hominem way, I’ll admit @Isaac14.

A better way of saying it is that he’s broken down and is scrambling to regain his apologetic footing.

I hope that’s a fairer assessment.
 
ziapueblo said:
My Church, GOA, is under the Ecumenical Patriarchate. However, we only pray for our local Bishop (in a hierarchical Divine Liturgy it’s a bit different). Actually, I’m know of a Melkite Greek Catholic Church and a Romanian Greek Catholic monastery that only prays for their Bishop and does not mention the Pope, which is their right by the way. They do not need to mention him and they still are Catholic.
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Eastern usage has always been for the priest to commemorate his bishop, the bishop the metropolitan, the metropolitan his patriarchs, and the patriarchs one another.

The current EC behavior of listing the hierarchy is yet another latinization.
ziapueblo said:
Both Rome and Constantinople do not have history of “playing nice” with one another.
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And that’s just the civil rulers! 😱 😜 🤣

OK, OK: the bishops of the city have been somewhat better behaved towards one another than there emperors . . . I don’t think either bishop has ever fielded a large army and executed the other . . .
 
Michael16 said:
Your position’s refuted and now you’re lashing out like when a Protestant has been refuted on Sola Fide.
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Lol

It was fun while it was a conversation. Blessed Christmas to you.

I’ll stay out of this one, which the initial OP was if there will be Orthodox and RC communion. My answer, if there is the hierarchs will put on a show of communion on occasion, but at the parish level, Romans will be Romans and Greeks will be Greeks.

ZP
 
@ziapueblo,

The conversation was a good one and you guys almost had me, I’ll admit.

I think what happened is that I presented an understanding that took your position apart and you got really frustrated and didn’t know how to refute me. I’m sorry if I was being uncharitable.

But, Merry Christmas ZP. Hope to see you back after you have calmed down.
 
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Isaac14 said:
Or maybe you’re just interpreting it that way…
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I had the same reaction as @Isaac14.

Declaring one’s opponent “refuted” doesn’t make it so, and in this matter, does not appear to be the case (unless you assume the conclusion, which makes it all pointless anyway).
 
dochawk said:
Declaring one’s opponent “refuted”
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If it were possible to refute anyone in the Orthodox-Catholic argument, someone would have done it long ago and we’d all have been either Catholic or Orthodox.
 
Salibi said:
If it were possible to refute anyone in the Orthodox-Catholic argument, someone would have done it long ago and we’d all have been either Catholic or Orthodox.
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The most true words in this entire thread!
 
@dochawk and @Isaac14,

I’m sorry to have gotten out of hand. I mean no offense.

As for the as if it’s a competition: For a while there, I was doubting the Catholic position and I honestly was seeing your guys’ point on papal primacy.

What changed was when I read ZP’s posted article and I saw the point about the Holy Father being the Archbishop over the Holy Synod of the whole Church.

I understand now.
 
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I have come to find these arguments silly myself. I regard the Orthodox as my brothers in Catholic faith. Ours is the true faith.

That is not to say that I do not believe conversions from Catholicism to Orthodoxy are schismatic, I most certainly do. However, it’s not my place to judge @ziapueblo , my brother in Christ. May the LORD take his hand and walk with him always.
 
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Michael16 said:
The conversation was a good one and you guys almost had me, I’ll admit.
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Had you? My intent is not to change the minds of RCs as per the Balamand statement. Have you read it?

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/p...s/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_19930624_lebanon_en.html

I’m just giving the Eastern perspective.
Michael16 said:
I think what happened is that I presented an understanding that took your position apart and you got really frustrated and didn’t know how to refute me.
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I didn’t know I was on a thread with Steve Ray? Sorry, but I know the RC position. I learned it all from Catholic Answers forum, radio and tracts when I was a young RC having to defend the RC position from Protestants. Hope that doesn’t burst your bubble?!?! You’re a small fish and a very, very large pond my young Padawan, surrounded by very knowledgeable RC and EO theologians. And on this forum, knowledgeable RC, EC and EO.

ZP
 
@ziapueblo,

Please calm down. I’m sorry to have upset you. My reflexes from apologetics with Protestants took hold. Again, I’m sorry.

You’re knowledgeable and I respect you and the Eastern perspective.

I’m honestly trying to do my part ecumenically with love for you guys and OUR Church.
 
Back to the OP, in reality, at the parish level, in the pews, the average Mass goer and Divine Liturgy goer see little difference between the two Churches. A conflict unfortunately between upper management as I always say.

ZP
 
I agree, @ziapueblo.

As for Balamand: Yes, I’ve read it. It’s a beautiful document and commitment to not poach each other.
 
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Michael16 said:
Please calm down. I’m sorry to have upset you. My reflexes from apologetics with Protestants took hold. Again, I’m sorry.
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I’m good. Read some of my posts on this thread and others, I can be overly zealous at times.

There are great people on this forum.
Michael16 said:
You’re knowledgeable and I respect you and the Eastern perspective.

I’m honestly trying to do my part ecumenically with love for you guys and OUR Church.
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:+1:t3:

ZP
 
Yeah, @ziapueblo.

I really enjoy talking with the community on this forum. I also really enjoy talking with the Easterners here. You guys talk my language.
 
The break in communion is definitely more political, geographical and the language barrier due to Latin and Greek as Kolistos Ware states in his book *The Orthodox Church: An Introduction to Eastern Christianity.

ZP
 
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