Is there a real chance of communion between the Catholic Church and the orthodox?

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Michael16 said:
Look, what I’ve been saying is that the Orthodox system is chaos and the Roman primacy is: Scripturally based, Church dogma and makes better organizational sense than the Orthodox system.
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We Catholics have had a lot of chaos of our own, and still do. Perhaps we ought to set our own house in order before we judge our Orthodox brothers and sisters.
 
Church fights over jurisdiction are unfortunate and counter to the witness of the Gospel. They are also as old as the Church herself, and will likely always be a sad reality of Christianity.
 
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@RyanBlack,

I agree. I can’t force anyone to believe what in their own good conscience they can’t.

All I can do is present our side and pray the Holy Spirit intervenes.
 
Look, @ziapueblo, @Isaac14, @George720:

I love you guys. In our talks, I feel a lot more at home with you all than I do with the Protestants. I earnestly hope and pray OUR Church will get her act together and restore communion in our sad, sick world.

I guess I went off the deep end again. Sorry.
 
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If the RC and EO could one day find communion once again, the secular world would not stand a chance.

Just as East and West slowly lost communion, I think it will come back slowly. For example (I know some that are against this), the Zoghby initiative. The Melkites and Greek Church of Antioch establishing communion with one another. It could go the same way with the UGCC and the Orthodox Church in Ukraine (I’m not speaking of the UOC-MP but the other one, can’t keep the names straight).

ZP
 
I agree with you, @ziapueblo:

A reunified Church would be a beautiful thing to see and the secular world is done for. 😁
 
George720 said:
Eastern Orthodoxy can however have ruptures INSIDE their own Church as there exists scenario where A is in communion with B, B with C, but not A with C. That is disunity.
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Grace builds upon nature. St. Gregory of Nyssa said: “To understand God one has to be God.”, but that didn’t stop him or the other early Fathers from defending and explaining the Faith. God gave us reason. Reason is the handmaid - not the mistress - of Faith. Occasionally that “top-fluff” can make the difference between salvation or damnation. If St. Athanasius didn’t care about one iota (literally the difference between homoousios and homoiousios) and what that iota represented - the denial of the Divinity of Christ - the Catholic Faith would have perished long ago.
George720 said:
You guys seem to want to turn everything into a Federal Case, get an authoritarian ruling on the matter with one size fits all, and cram it down everyone’s throats…
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As I previously posted from St. Augustine: “In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things charity.”

First of all, that wasn’t very charitable. Second, as I said earlier, if the Creed isn’t essential then all bets are off imo. The Latin Church professes the Filioque and Eastern Catholics don’t because we’re supposed to be faithful to our own Tradition so as not to be an obstacle to the Orthodox (which has been sufficiently hashed out on this thread since we’re 1000+ posts now).
George720 said:
we had a post showing some fairly upscale RCC’ers demonizing Putin burning in hell, remember?
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  1. That was a Ukrainian Greek Catholic church, not a RCC. The Orthodox hierarchy considers the Eastern Catholic Churches (especially the UGCC) as either a) non-existent or b) a “problem”. His Beatitude Sviatoslav knew PF before his election. A few years ago, PF met with the Patriarch of Moscow and signed an agreement with him. His Beatitude objected to certain portions of it and it strained the RC-UGCC relationship. Eventually PF and His Beatitude worked things out.
  2. I’m Ukrainian Greek Catholic and if you remember, I posted that VP should not have been portrayed that way. He could repent, die in the state of sanctifying grace and possibly be a saint in the eyes of God. We’ll find out on Judgement Day what happened to him and the rest of us.
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@Margaret_Ann,

I’m no fan of VP at all. But, I agree that he shouldn’t have been portrayed that way. Though I can understand why Ukrainians would have a serious beef with the guy.

And Margaret Ann: You put the iota thing and the Creed beautifully.
 
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Michael16 said:
I’ll admit @ziapueblo: I’m old school about women ordination. When I was still ELCA; I was really uncomfortable with the idea of lady pastors.
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That’s not “old-school” but Catholic teaching. PJPII infallibly defined that the ordination is for men alone. C.f. Ordinatio Sacerdotalis.
 
George720 said:
You see, under the Pope, there are no Communions except the Papal Communion…
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That doesn’t make sense. Depending on how they’re counted, there’s 22-25 Eastern Catholic Churches in full communion with the Holy See.
 
@Margaret_Ann: Tell you what: If you’d like to compose more replies; I’ll read babochka’s link.
 
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@Margaret_Ann and @babochka, thank God for the Holy Father!
 
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