Is there a religion you would choose if you couldn't be a catholic

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Dauphin stop following me around with your postings…I am content to be as I am and am not interested in you telling me that Holy saintly people are leading me astray

By their fruits ye shall know them and FR Groeschel and Mother Angelica have good fruits…I don’t know you from a hill of beans so kindly leave me alone
 
redrosetea said:
You decide what you beleive and I will decide what I believe…it seems people on this board think they should interpret eveyones belief in God and salvation

I don’t care what others think. I will listen to people that are on EWTN
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Instead of that, why not study what the Catechism itself says, Study what the Popes have said throughout the centuries. Study established Catholic theology. I think you will see that these conflict in great measure with what many today are saying both on and off EWTN.

EWTN, while in general a very good thing is NOT operated by the Church and is NOT a mouthpiece for the Vatican.
 
I am now off my own thread to get away from you…are you satistifed?
 
redrosetea said:
Dauphin stop following me around with your postings…I am content to be as I am and am not interested in you telling me that Holy saintly people are leading me astray

By their fruits ye shall know them and FR Groeschel and Mother Angelica have good fruits…I don’t know you from a hill of beans so kindly leave me alone
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I’m responding to posts which contain doctrinal error and correcting them using the actual teaching of the Church.

Even if I can’t convince you of the Church’s doctrine, I feel it’s important to present that doctrine so that others may not be lead astray by reading your comments and taking them as the teaching of the Church.
 
To get back to answering the OP, being Eastern Catholic, obvciously I would probably be Orthodox but I can`t ever imagine not being in communion with the Pope.
 
kitkatty said:
To get back to answering the OP, being Eastern Catholic, obvciously I would probably be Orthodox but I can`t ever imagine not being in communion with the Pope.
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It’s not really all that bad, or honestly even something I ever think about. Until the Bishop of Rome and all the Catholic Church teaches the Orthodox Catholic faith, it’s quite good. 😉
 
redrosetea said:
I am now off my own thread to get away from you…are you satistifed?
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I know this wasn’t directed at me, but I would just like to add something since we’re both fans of EWTN.

There are other figures on EWTN, who have restated that outside the Church there is no salvation.

Also, this isn’t a looney doctrine. Pope Benedict (through Pope John Paul II) condemned the idea that religions are equal.
 
bear06 said:
Why Islam over Judaism? I would assume that you’d want to at least start with a religion that at least at one point had a covenant with God.
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I would prefer Orthodox Judaism to Islam. If the question had been “What religion would you prefer to be born into?” I would have picked Orthodox Judaism. However, I don’t believe they accept converts, if I’m not mistaken.

The other branches of Judaism, the reformed branch and all of that.I want no part of that, because I’m acquainted with it and it doesn’t seem focused on the religion of Judaism, but rather the social/ethnic aspects of it only.

I also would have picked Orthodox Christianity, but with it being so close to Catholicism, it’s viability as an option would render the original question pointless.

I ended up picking Islam, because of the fidelity to the Koran that I’ve seen in Muslims. They are very spiritual people, and while obviously I am opposed to their religion with every bone of my body, at least they state what they believe without resorting to qualifiers and desire to share the whole truth with others, unlike most Christians I’ve known.

I’m a little surprised that some of you guys are picking Quakers. My wife was baptized Quaker (it was an invalid Baptism. She had to be baptized again by our Priest), and it seems to be the direct opposite of Catholicism, at least as far as Christianity goes.

What I’ve gathered is that they don’t even have preachers, or and that they basically push a mamby-pamby kind of Christianity, in which there’s no real sin. Pretty much seemed like the temporal Democratic Party dogma instead of objective Christian truth to me. I’m not criticizing. Just wondering why you guys would like it so much. I’m just wondering why you would consider one of the most “liberal” institutions of all time, when you currently belong to the most traditional institution in history.
 
Dauphin said:
Then you reject a doctrine of the Church, which, according to the dogmatic teaching of Popes and Councils, means you won’t be going to heaven.

Sorry to put it so bluntly, but that’s the teaching of the Church.
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Wow, even a non-Catholic understands Catholicism more than you.

CCC 1260 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."63 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.
 
Greek Orthodox, doesn’t matter though, I’m with Rome from the cradle to the grave, warts and all.
 
abirdrrl said:
Wow, even a non-Catholic understands Catholicism more than you.

CCC 1260 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."63 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.
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No, you clearly don’t understand the doctrine at all. The passage you quoted from the catechism concerns people invincibly ignorant of the Catholic faith, and how they can be united to the Church through a baptism of desire.

It does not say that anyone can reject the Catholic faith and be saved. Such a teaching would contradict Catholic doctrine. Is it really that difficult to understand?

It’s getting increasingly frustrating to see people throwing out this quote and saying “See! Salvation outside the Church!”. It doesn’t mean that at all. It’s as if people don’t even bother to read and understand the quote in the context of Catholic doctrine.
 
So getting back to topic…

If I couldn’t be Catholic… That would mean the Jesus never came and revealed truth.

Since every other religion makes no sense (at least in every conversation with a non-catholic I have found none) and no one can honestly believe in them I would have to become a Jew, I guess. If you mean that truth didn’t exist and we could pick anything then I guess we would all be athiests, since God would not care about truth.

No offense to those who are non-catholic, just PM me and I will explain. As it is my hobby to speak to non-catholic pastors and after talking to dozens I still haven’t found an honest or knowledgeable one. All seem to advocate an evil God.
Maybe there is an exception out there, maybe one exists, I am still seeking and trying to keep an open and charitable mind.

God Bless
Scylla
 
I won’t say Orthodox, because it’s too close.

Assuming I did not know the true origin of Judaism…

Probably, like others on this board, Islam–the non-violent sort, of course. I truly admire their dedication to prayer and their willingness to be identified as devout people–sung prayer from the rooftops of Cimferopol is one of the most beautiful sounds I’ve ever heard.

Either that, I suppose, or Buddhism. If you can’t have a true heaven, then non-existence would have to be second best. Scary, I know.

In a different time or place, Paganism. Few could believe in it now, but three thousand years ago people weren’t quite so skeptical. It doesn’t leave one much hope–in the Odyssee Achilleus tells Odysseus that the humblest sheep-herder on earth is better off than the most glorious king in Hades–but hey, at least it was fun. You got to tell stories of the gods’ antics all the time.

Boy am I glad I am a Catholic. Truth rocks! 👍
 
I would probably choose Eastern Orthodoxy for another group that has, beyond a shadow of a doubt, apostolic succession because of I would want to be able to receive valid sacraments.
 
Re: Is there a religion you would choose if you couldn’t be a catholic?

My first choice would be Orthodox Christian. 2nd choice a conservative high Anglican Church or conservative Anglo-Catholic Church.

Paul
 
If–and only if–Jesus had not entered the world to save us, the only possible choice would be Judaism, because the Jews would still (under the old covenant, which would be the ONLY covenant if the New Covenant had not yet arrived) be the Chosen People and would worship the one true God. And I would be hoping and praying for the Messiah to come!

But if Jesus did come as He did, then I would have to follow Him, no matter what. So if He came, and somehow there was no Catholic Church, then the ‘real’ Church would be the Orthodox Church, and that is what I would choose.
 
If I couldn’t be Catholic, maybe I’d be Salvation Army.

I think they try to help those suffering & in need.
 
Tantum_ergo said:
If–and only if–Jesus had not entered the world to save us, the only possible choice would be Judaism, because the Jews would still (under the old covenant, which would be the ONLY covenant if the New Covenant had not yet arrived) be the Chosen People and would worship the one true God. And I would be hoping and praying for the Messiah to come
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Ditto and Amen and I can’t even imagine another choice
 
The only reason that I would not be Catholic would be if the Catholic Church itself did not exist. So lets analize it a bit.

If there was no Catholic Church there would be no Orthodox Churches so they are out.

If there was no Catholic Church there would be no Protestant communities, so they are out.

If there was no Catholic Church there would be no Anglican Church, so it s out.

If there was no Catholic Church there would be no Mormons, Adventists or any of the the other splinter groups, so they’re out.

In short if there was no Catholic Church, there would be no Christianity at all.

If there was no Catholic Church, Islam would not exist so it’s out,

All that would really be left would be Judaism and various pagan groups and philosophies which would include Buddhism, Hinduism, Shintoism, Zoroastrianism etc etc.

Given all of that, and considering that the Jews were the chosen people, I would imaging that in the absence of Christianity , I would be a Jew.
 
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