Is there a saint like Bob Marley?

[OraLabora]

Can someone like Bob Marley be a saint? Hardly.

Can someone like Bob Marley become a saint? Absolutely, if he converts, turns himself over to Christ, and lives by Christ’s commandments, in particular the greatest commandment.

One need only look at St. Augustine to understand that a notorious sinner can become a saint.

 

[flufflepuff]

I’m sorry you feel that way. The Catholic Church teaches that getting drunk or high is a mortal sin. The problem with Marajuana is that you either get high or you dont. There is a dosage problem. There is also a huge misconception that it is better/worse than alcoholism. Both are addictions and both destroy lives and families. They are fruit of the same tree my friend. We don’t say"gee alcoholism is better than being a meth head so…" They are just bad. And being Catholic we are to obey a just government. Which the US still is. To do otherwise is a violation of the 4th commandment. Truly corrupt governments, like the one beheading Christians as we speak, are to be disobeyed. But rebelling because one likes to get high is foolish and sinful.

On a personal note, I am sorry you indicated your affection for pot. I see in your posting history that you have a family history of addiction. I would encourage you to seek some help, perhaps even secular help for your issues. I would also encourage you to see the Truth and immorality of certain people and things. Rather than falling for the lie you are being told.

Good luck to you.

Mmm, I would say the US gov’t is doing a lot of things that are horrible and I didn’t vote for and I’m a big fan of states rights so I’m going to do what I think is best no matter what, thats that. Not a fan of letting foreigners from China buy up a lot of real-estate as well as the constant outsourcing of this countries jobs not to mention the relative open boarders so yeah people can say whatever they want and I’m going to keep doing what I think is in my best interests.
I agree, plenty of addicts who are potheads and yeah they cause damage, but thats not so much the substance, it’s the personality. It’s horrible what it does to families and I wish they did more, but the gov’ts vary from state to state and many times social services is worthless. Also, I’m a huuuge bob marley fan, but did I say anywhere I’m a raging pothead? Of course i’ve consumed in the past, but i’ve been spotless for quite some time now for just the reason you’ve cited, family history.

Also what lie? I know how bad substance abuse is, i’ve been around it and have been able to walk away from it, what it really is about me, I don’t care so long as I’m not the one being affected by it. Way I see it, you want to get high fine, just don’t gripe when you get shot by a home owner or end up in jail. Only time I ever draw the line, domestic/child abuse, thats where I say put the druggie in a cell with some nice hardened felons.

 

[flufflepuff]

Regarding this whole “the man” thing, be careful not to blindly demonize any class or group like the government or the rich. Jesus dined with tax collectors. Tax collectors in those days were worse than today… not only did they take from their own people to give it to the Romans who had subjugated them, they were also notorious for cheating both sides and lining their own pockets.

Well, certainly he was a man who believed in peace and fair treatment for people of all background and colors.

I would say that part of him at least would be quite Christ-like, though that may be disputed here on CAF as there are some that argue that black people in the States should still have their own separate water fountains, dining areas, schools, etc. and others that are very adamant in their support of war or see it as something that will always be with us and thus a waste of time to oppose.

Yeah but the romans brought civilization and sanitation, the jews were constantly rebelling. Look at the Jewish/Roman wars, great example there.

Also this is really the main reason why I liked Bob Marley so much, he wanted everyone to get along. Yeah he smoked about 1 lbs. of marijuana a week which was a horrible idea, but he wanted everyone, everyone to get along. Lots of mean racist people here in the USA who sure hate that idea, real Christ like there.

 

[Generic_Name]

I know St. Stephen got stoned.

This one wins the thread - nicely done! :clapping:

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Whelp, i’ll be keeping the priests busy in confession then lol
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You did say this though in response to drug use…

I think your attempts to argue the morality of the culture you are so fond of cannot jive with the Catholic faith. Many people want peace and have good attributes. That does not save one’s soul or lead others to Christ in and of itself.

Why not focus on real saints. Those who lead us to the Cross and Christ and inspire us to lead clean, Holy and obedient lives. If you wan’t to fight the “man” maybe the man should be sin… That is what a real saint would do.

As has been pointed out Marley converted to Christianity which by no means guarantees salvation, but I Truly believe those who worship him have hijacked his real message. And if he is a saint in heaven, I doubt very much he is approving of those who worship the plant and are in favor of legalization and the culture of pot. There really is no logical way to reconcile Holiness and what you are advocating.
Being obedient to the state or the “man” can be the very mark of a Christian. We all have laws we disagree with or did not vote for. But we are all called to obedience… An unjust law does not mean that we dislike it, but rather that it coerces us to offend God. All other laws we are to obey. Christ Himself established this and the Church has always taught it. State votes for legislation make no difference in the morality of getting high. That is a mortal sin in and of itself. But it adds to the sin and breaks the 4th command no matter if you live in Colorado or Washington, it still breaks federal law.
The rationalization that Pot proponents use is about freedom and culture, when in reality they are such a slave to that culture and that drug that they risk thier futures and prison and family lives to get high. The “man” is being a slave to a drug and a culture of immorality. It is a lie. And who is the Father of lies?

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

This one wins the thread - nicely done! :clapping:

It was very good.

Also worth noting is that Jesus prevented the stoning of the woman…

 

[flufflepuff]

You did say this though in response to drug use…

I think your attempts to argue the morality of the culture you are so fond of cannot jive with the Catholic faith. Many people want peace and have good attributes. That does not save one’s soul or lead others to Christ in and of itself.

Why not focus on real saints. Those who lead us to the Cross and Christ and inspire us to lead clean, Holy and obedient lives. If you wan’t to fight the “man” maybe the man should be sin… That is what a real saint would do.

As has been pointed out Marley converted to Christianity which by no means guarantees salvation, but I Truly believe those who worship him have hijacked his real message. And if he is a saint in heaven, I doubt very much he is approving of those who worship the plant and are in favor of legalization and the culture of pot. There really is no logical way to reconcile Holiness and what you are advocating.
Being obedient to the state or the “man” can be the very mark of a Christian. We all have laws we disagree with or did not vote for. But we are all called to obedience… An unjust law does not mean that we dislike it, but rather that it coerces us to offend God. All other laws we are to obey. Christ Himself established this and the Church has always taught it. State votes for legislation make no difference in the morality of getting high. That is a mortal sin in and of itself. But it adds to the sin and breaks the 4th command no matter if you live in Colorado or Washington, it still breaks federal law.
The rationalization that Pot proponents use is about freedom and culture, when in reality they are such a slave to that culture and that drug that they risk thier futures and prison and family lives to get high. The “man” is being a slave to a drug and a culture of immorality. It is a lie. And who is the Father of lies?

Hmmm, wasn’t so much arguing it, was just saying why I’m for it, why I would participate and why I vote for it.
Mmm, never thought about the morality, it’s a non issue for me, but thats me. Also, state rights were supposed to trump federal laws a looooong time ago, the fed has been stepping out of bounds a lot lately and I will always go with my rights over anything, and I mean anything.
Yeah, plenty of potheads who become slaves to their addiction, that’s their own fault.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Hmmm, wasn’t so much arguing it, was just saying why I’m for it, why I would participate and why I vote for it.
Mmm, never thought about the morality, it’s a non issue for me, but thats me. Also, state rights were supposed to trump federal laws a looooong time ago, the fed has been stepping out of bounds a lot lately and I will always go with my rights over anything, and I mean anything.
Yeah, plenty of potheads who become slaves to their addiction, that’s their own fault.

Do you see the holes in your logic or does it really make sense to your world view?

 

[truetofaith]

Just curious if there’s a saint like Bob Marley or any other one thats somewhat Rastafarian in lifestyle.

He may be a saint in the Rastafarian religion.

I like Bob Marley’s music and play “Three Little Birds” on my gigs.

 

[flufflepuff]

Do you see the holes in your logic or does it really make sense to your world view?

Sure there are holes in my logic, but I do have a lot of issues that are being worked out. Let me make this easy, i’m for what doesn’t cause me trouble and if someone is dumb enough to abuse something and become an addict I don’t care. Where I draw the line is when my property/life is on the line, it’s that simple. Sure there are all kinds of moral red flags there but hey, had a pretty horrible life the past few years and have the mental problems to show for it.

Also Redemption Song is my favorite song, the acoustic version.

 

[Giggly_Giraffe]

Bob Marley – One Love Lyrics
One love, one heart
Let’s get together and feel all right
Hear the children crying (One love)
Hear the children crying (One heart)
Sayin’, “Give thanks and praise to the Lord and I will feel all right.”
Sayin’, “Let’s get together and feel all right.”
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa

Let them all pass all their dirty remarks (One love)
There is one question I’d really love to ask (One heart)
Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?
Believe me

One love, one heart
Let’s get together and feel all right
As it was in the beginning (One love)
So shall it be in the end (One heart)
Alright, “Give thanks and praise to the Lord and I will feel all right.”
“Let’s get together and feel all right.”
One more thing

Let’s get together to fight this Holy Armageddon (One love)
So when the Man comes there will be no, no doom (One song)
Have pity on those whose chances grow thinner
There ain’t no hiding place from the Father of Creation

Sayin’, “One love, one heart
Let’s get together and feel all right.”
I’m pleading to mankind (One love)
Oh, Lord (One heart) Whoa.

“Give thanks and praise to the Lord and I will feel all right.”
Let’s get together and feel all right.

“Give thanks and praise to the Lord and I will feel all right.”
Let’s get together and feel all right.

 

[Giggly_Giraffe]

“Let’s get together and feel all right.”
One more thing

Let’s get together to fight this Holy Armageddon (One love)
So when the Man comes there will be no, no doom (One song)
Have pity on those whose chances grow thinner
There ain’t no hiding place from the Father of Creation

 

[Giggly_Giraffe]

Bob MarleyMarley had become a zealous Rastafarian as a young man. The dreadlocks and pot smoking that became central to his image weren’t just accessories to a rock star lifestyle. They were pillars of Rastafarian faith. Rastas believe that cannabis removes mental barriers to enlightened thinking, and they base their dreadlocks in Old Testament law. As debatable as these doctrines are, it’s clear that a sincere faith in God and service of his people were the driving forces in Bob’s life and music.

One doesn’t have to dig deep into his lyrics to see Marley’s faith. In “One Love,” named the song of the millennium by BBC, Bob sings, “Give thanks and praise to the Lord and I will feel all right.” And in songs like, “Forever Loving Jah” (“Jah” is the Rastafarian word for God), Marley is clearly praying, not just performing. Praise to “Jah” can be found throughout his music. Bob wasn’t just a secular rock star. It’s probably more accurate to say he was a religious musician who had made it in the secular world.

And when Marley wasn’t praying with his music, he was using it to fight for peace and equality, giving a voice to the marginalized in Jamaica and throughout the world. Bob’s fame overlapped a particularly turbulent time in Jamaica’s history. His musical career had so much social influence that he was the target of an assassination attempt in 1976. Two days later, with his would-be-assassins still on the loose, he took to the stage to perform with two gunshot wounds. Asked why he’d take such a risk, he answered: “The people who are trying to make this world worse aren’t taking a day off. How can I?”

His musical career was clearly motivated by more than fame and fortune. “If my life is just for me,” he said, “my own security, then I don’t want it. My life is for people. That is the way I am.”

Marley developed a friendship with Ethiopian Orthodox Archbishop Abuna Yesehaq who had been sent from Africa by the Emperor Haile Selassie I after he found out that many in Jamaica were worshipping him as God incarnate. (This belief is the center of Rastafarianism.)

Father Lloyd Malakot, currently the chief priest and administrator of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church in Jamaica, knew Archbishop Yesehaq well. He shared with me how the archbishop won Bob and many Rastas over through the witness of his love and respect for them. When police were arresting Rastas and shaving their dreads before releasing them, he went to the commissioner of police and stopped the persecution.

reallifecatholic.com/redemption-songs-the-conversion-of-bob-marley/

 

[CompSciGuy]

I think this “fight the man” mentality is an immature one. Marijuana use and the promotion of marijuana use is also not entirely consistent with faithful Catholicism as it is often associated with hedonism and idleness. The scriptures, along with the saints, have always encouraged us to obey those in authority cheerfully; of course, if they command us to do things which are contrary to divine law, then we do not comply. But our non-compliance should not be characterized by a “stick-it-to-the-man” attitude and demeanor. It should be done prayerfully and with humility and respect.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

Most of his songs are hardly “saintly” And many belie his “religious” nature.
Most of his songs are anti Christ.
Here are just a few.

Uh, ah-oh-oh! I went downtown, (I went downtown)
I saw Miss Brown; (said, I saw Miss Brown)
She had brown sugar (had brown sugar)
All over her booga-wooga. (over her booga-wooga)

I think I might join the fun, (I might join the fun)
But I had to hit and run. (had to hit and run)
See I just can’t settle down (just can’t settle down)
In a kinky part of town.

Saintly?

How many rivers do we have to cross,
Before we can talk to the boss? Eh!
All that we got, it seems we have lost;
We must have really paid the cost.

(That’s why we gonna be)
Burnin’ and a-lootin’ tonight;
(Say we gonna burn and loot)
Burnin’ and a-lootin’ tonight;
(One more thing)
Burnin’ all pollution tonight;
(Oh, yeah, yeah)
Burnin’ all illusion tonight.

Holy?

Until the philosophy which hold one race superior
And another
Inferior
Is finally
And permanently
Discredited
And abandoned -
Everywhere is war -
Me say war.

That until there no longer
First class and second class citizens of any nation
Until the colour of a man’s skin
Is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes -
Me say war.

Peaceful?

I’m gonna smoke’a de ganja until I go blind.
You know I smoke’a de ganja all a de time.
Smoke’a de ganja when I’m with friends.
We gonna smoke’a de ganja until the very end.

Whoo-oo Ganja ganja
Whoo-oo Ganja gun
Whoo-oo Ganja ganja
Whoo-oo Ganja gun

[vocal solo]

Whoo-oo Ganja ganja
Whoo-oo Ganja gun
Whoo-oo Ganja ganja
Whoo-oo Ganja gun

Smoke’a de ganja every day
Ya you gonn’ smoke’a de ganja in many different ways
You can smoke’a de ganja in a big fat bowl or you can smoke’a de ganja in a bong
N’ keep ya’ very lucky you can smoke it in a bong
When you smoke it in a bong, you are baked all night long Mista

In the Catholic Church a saints writings are examined before canonization. All of them. I think we all know the altar at which he worshiped, and the smell of the incense he inhaled…

For every “one love,” and “hallelujah” there are just as many “gangsta” lyrics…

 

[Giggly_Giraffe]

Bob’s baptism is marked by the heroic conviction with which he lived his life. For some Rastas, conversion to Christianity is tantamount to sacrificing the sacred cow. Yet this man who had become the international icon of Rastafarianism converted anyway, deeply upsetting many people, including some of his closest friends. Marley showed a willingness to renounce everything in his pursuit of God.

The late archbishop who baptized Bob several months before his death spoke of his deep faith in a 1984 newspaper interview with Jamaica’s Sunday Gleaner:

“I remember once while I was conducting the Mass, I looked at Bob and tears were streaming down his face. … When he toured Los Angeles and New York and England, he preached the Orthodox faith, and many members in those cities came to the Church because of Bob. … When he was baptized, he hugged his family and wept, they all wept together for about half an hour.”

Judy Mowatt, one of Bob’s background singers, recalled in an interview with The 700 Club (www.CBN.com), that she got a call from Bob’s wife as he was dying. “She said to me that Bob was in such excruciating pain and he stretched out his hand and said ‘Jesus take me.’” That prayer was answered on May 11, 1981. He was only 36.

“Many Rastaman call him the prophet,” Father Malakot said. “Even myself as the chief of the Church in Jamaica, I saw he was a prophet in his own right. His music was inspired by God. It was an expression of his belief that the Lord was with him. And he inspired so many people to enter the Church. Many are inspired by him, even now, to convert. Five months ago I baptized a Rasta priest with his big dreadlocks who came into the Church with his wife.”

I’ve seen many T-shirts depicting Bob’s smiling face with a pot leaf next to it. I’d like to create a T-shirt of Bob’s face with a cross next to it instead.

• See more at: reallifecatholic.com/redemption-songs-the-conversion-of-bob-marley/#sthash.qf2ap9t9.dpuf

 

[Giggly_Giraffe]

Most of his songs are hardly “saintly” And many belie his “religious” nature.
Most of his songs are anti Christ.
Here are just a few.

Saintly?

Holy?

Peaceful?

In the Catholic Church a saints writings are examined before canonization. All of them. I think we all know the altar at which he worshiped, and the smell of the incense he inhaled…

For every “one love,” and “hallelujah” there are just as many “gangsta” lyrics…

I remember when my father died and i was going through his stuff. Turns out he collected all the notes that I wrote in junior high school, notes from high school, e-mails, and such. When I read them (I was at a reversion part of my faith) I could not recognize the author of those notes, they seemed so distant from who God wS recreating me to be.

I would hope (yes hope) that Bob Marley would also be forgiven and forgoten for the these less than holy writing.

Sometimes, the last will be first.

 

[MTarcisius]

To everyone who is criticizing flufflepuff’s opinion’s or lifestyle I have one quote for you:

“Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her” (John 8:7)

Remember this every time you want to criticize anyones use of any substance.

In response to the actual thread Saint Francis of Assisi had some pretty revolutionary ideas in France at his time. Plus I think that whoever mentioned Saint John the Baptist was onto something - he was a great champion of the poor and fought “the man”.

Also if you are interested in the spirituality that cannabis users often embrace, then I would highly recommend deeply studying the Catholic mystics.

As far as a saint that used cannabis… I am certain there are some. However, if you look at how much of cannabis history has been lost or intentionally destroyed then you will not be surprised that this information has probably been lost forever.

Oh yeah and cannabis was found in King Solomon’s tomb…

 

[StSentry83]

Most of his songs are hardly “saintly” And many belie his “religious” nature.
Most of his songs are anti Christ.
Here are just a few.

Until the philosophy which hold one race superior
And another
Inferior
Is finally
And permanently
Discredited
And abandoned -
Everywhere is war -
Me say war.

That until there no longer
First class and second class citizens of any nation
Until the colour of a man’s skin
Is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes -
Me say war.

Peaceful?

That is “anti Christ”? This is not a just war, to ensure the equality of men under the law? If not, what is a just war: the war in Iraq??? LOL.

 

[CompSciGuy]

Oh yeah and cannabis was found in King Solomon’s tomb…

I have googled it and haven’t found a single credible source to confirm this…