Is there a sinister connection between Charismatic Renewal and Medjugorje?

[ericcantona71]

Hi I was reading this book by Donel Foley called Understanding Medjugorge:

theotokos.org.uk/pages/books/medjbook/medjcomm.html

And in it he makes claims to the effect that the Charismatic Renewal leaders promoted Medjugorge in a sinister way to its current day popularity, to help the dwindling numbers in the Charismatic Movement. And he implies that’s why many Medjugorge advocates are also involved in the Charismatic Renewal. He seems quite adamant about it and I wondered what others though about it? As anyone heard that theory before?

 

[Flame_of_Christ]

well if you think that the Renewal is sinister, then you also think that the last 3 popes who have given it their are sinister as well.

The only sinister thing I see is speaking against the approval of the last 3 popes and of our bishops who have given the

 

[Lepanto]

well if you think that the Renewal is sinister, then you also think that the last 3 popes who have given it their are sinister as well.

Those popes were not speaking ex cathedra. They were merely giving their opinions.

 

[Flame_of_Christ]

Those popes were not speaking ex cathedra. They were merely giving their opinions.

That may be true, but are you claing that those 3 popes have encouraged the faithful to embrace something sinister? That is a strong accusation.

Are you sure that your own ideas have not caused you to accuse 3 popes?

 

[Walking_Home]

That may be true, but are you claing that those 3 popes have encouraged the faithful to embrace something sinister? That is a strong accusation.

Are you sure that your own ideas have not caused you to accuse 3 popes?

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Pope Benedict XVI’s papacy is not over yet. It seems he is slowly turning the Church back around to a more traditional stance. So it may be premature on your part --to be binding our current Pope to an all time supporter of the CCR.

 

[Flame_of_Christ]

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Pope Benedict XVI’s papacy is not over yet. It seems he is slowly turning the Church back around to a more traditional stance. So it may be premature on your part --to be binding our current Pope to an all time supporter of the CCR.

Why are you at odds with what the Pope is saying? If I have to choose who to believe, wouldn’t it be wise to stick with the pope?

It seems like some catholics only side with the pope when he sides with them. But isn’t that backwards? Who is leading whom?

Why can’t people just allow God’s chosen leader to lead the church?

 

[Flame_of_Christ]

You seem to be a different breed of catholic than I am accustomed to.

 

[Walking_Home]

Why are you at odds with what the Pope is saying? If I have to choose who to believe, wouldn’t it be wise to stick with the pope?

It seems like some catholics only side with the pope when he sides with them. But isn’t that backwards? Who is leading whom?

Why can’t people just allow God’s chosen leader to lead the church?

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I am not binding the current Pope. How long his papacy will last --neither you or I know —or if in the future his view of the CCR will be positive. He has already made it a point that it is the sacraments that strengthen the faithful — this kinda put a different light on the supposedly tapping onto the the Holy Spirit via the CCR.

 

[thistle]

Hi I was reading this book by Donel Foley called Understanding Medjugorge:

theotokos.org.uk/pages/books/medjbook/medjcomm.html

And in it he makes claims to the effect that the Charismatic Renewal leaders promoted Medjugorge in a sinister way to its current day popularity, to help the dwindling numbers in the Charismatic Movement. And he implies that’s why many Medjugorge advocates are also involved in the Charismatic Renewal. He seems quite adamant about it and I wondered what others though about it? As anyone heard that theory before?

Medjogorie is NOT approved by the Church.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

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Pope Benedict XVI’s papacy is not over yet. It seems he is slowly turning the Church back around to a more traditional stance. So it may be premature on your part --to be binding our current Pope to an all time supporter of the CCR.

Note that the papal preacher is a strong supporter of the CCR.

 

[Schultzz]

Hi I was reading this book by Donel Foley called Understanding Medjugorge:

theotokos.org.uk/pages/books/medjbook/medjcomm.html

And in it he makes claims to the effect that the Charismatic Renewal leaders promoted Medjugorge in a sinister way to its current day popularity, to help the dwindling numbers in the Charismatic Movement. And he implies that’s why many Medjugorge advocates are also involved in the Charismatic Renewal. He seems quite adamant about it and I wondered what others though about it? As anyone heard that theory before?

Are you trying to implicate Vatican II through this “veiled” post? You seem to have a hidden agenda. Why don’t you come right out and say what you’re thinking? I am not accusing you of anything but your post smacks of potential controversy. Please be more forthright.

 

[antimon]

there are people who are in CCR and who promote Medjugorje, but that doesn’t mean that ALL CCR people promote Medjugorje. It’s up to individual persons, not the whole movement.

 

[puzzleannie]

Hi I was reading this book by Donel Foley called Understanding Medjugorge:

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well since this author’s name does not begin with B and end with 16 I suggest we just ignore it since he has no authority whatever to discuss either the M events or the CCR.

 

[happyseppy]

Note that the papal preacher is a strong supporter of the CCR.

good point, Medjugorje nonwithstanding.

 

[ericcantona71]

Are you trying to implicate Vatican II through this “veiled” post? You seem to have a hidden agenda. Why don’t you come right out and say what you’re thinking? I am not accusing you of anything but your post smacks of potential controversy. Please be more forthright.

Please don’t judge my intentions, you don’t know me. I have no hidden agenda, I am a firm believer in Vatican II and everything the Church teaches. The whole point of CAF is to discuss things and learn from each other, if don’t you this like then maybe you shouldn’t visit CAF. Hope that is forthright enough for you.

Pax.

 

[Good_Daughter]

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I am not binding the current Pope. How long his papacy will last --neither you or I know —or if in the future his view of the CCR will be positive. He has already made it a point that it is the sacraments that strengthen the faithful — this kinda put a different light on the supposedly tapping onto the the Holy Spirit via the CCR.

The purpose of the CCR is conversion. Mature “Charismatic” Catholics consider the sacraments, particularly the Eucharist, to be the foundation of their spiritual life. Things like private revelations and prayer meetings are always a distant second.

 

[Flame_of_Christ]

The purpose of the CCR is conversion. Mature “Charismatic” Catholics consider the sacraments, particularly the Eucharist, to be the foundation of their spiritual life. Things like private revelations and prayer meetings are always a distant second.

Amen!

 

[manualman]

The problem with labeling people is that to do it right, the label would be in 0.1 point print and at least 5x8 feet in dimension. Defeats the point of labeling!

Having been involved with the CCR quite a bit, I’d say it is like most lay movements in history: it has its good points and bad ones. (As do the TLM/EF activists, IMO!) The good points are:

1. The emphasis on a real, personal, loving God instead of an impersonal distant IDEA of a God.
2. The belief that God can and DOES do miracles still today and that he continues to intervene in history out of love for us.
3. The ideal of catholics praying and signing together in prayer, not just as individuals who happen to be in proximity to each other!

The problems with it are:

1. A tendency to place too much emphasis on feelings instead of the facts and Tradition (an issue fairly confronted in many parts of the CCR).
2. Community life sometimes implicitly downgrades the sacraments in comparison with more enthusiastic forms of worship.

IMO, the problems often present in the CCR can be dealt with when the community receives proper oversight from the Church (and I’ve seen it done very well). That said, when communities are NOT properly overseen, enthusiasm can carry folks to some strange places and strange conclusions.

I think it is a fair assertion to say that people active in the CCR may have a higher risk of being attracted to false appartitions given the above. I won’t however make any assertions about the authenticity of Medjugore. I’ll just say I have MY doubts and that until a higher authority overturns him, the local bishop’s decision ought to be the guide to the faithful.

 

[Schultzz]

Please don’t judge my intentions, you don’t know me. I have no hidden agenda, I am a firm believer in Vatican II and everything the Church teaches. The whole point of CAF is to discuss things and learn from each other, if don’t you this like then maybe you shouldn’t visit CAF. Hope that is forthright enough for you.

Pax.

Thank you for you post. I believe you. Sorry for the intuitive question. Apparently I was wrong. I think I see why you asked this question. I doubt very much if there is a connection between the two. I know there are rumors to this effect but I do not think they have any credence. The Charismatic movement will return when it finds a need to. Yet having had encountered both aspects from an objective viewpoint I don’t see the connection as each one has its own identity.

 

[ericcantona71]

Thank you for you post. I believe you. Sorry for the intuitive question. Apparently I was wrong. I think I see why you asked this question. I doubt very much if there is a connection between the two. I know there are rumors to this effect but I do not think they have any credence. The Charismatic movement will return when it finds a need to. Yet having had encountered both aspects from an objective viewpoint I don’t see the connection as each one has its own identity.

Apology accepted. I appreciate where your coming from. I have an open mind on both the apparitions and the Charismatic Renewal. Someone suggested the book to me and got me thinking. It is interesting to hear what people have to say about these posts especially people with a more Traditional bent, as they tend to be more theologically astute. That’s why I enjoy posting on the Traditional section of this forum in particular!

God bless:thumbsup: