Is there any difference between a Communist and a Leftist?

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If there is, can someone explain what exactly those differences are?

The Catholic Church has condemned communism or socialism. But as far as capitalism, the Catechism of the Catholic Church only condemns what can be called “unbridled capitalism” that can happen when “in the practice of” it (2425, CCC). But the Church does not give a blanket condemnation to capitalism the way She has said that communism or socialism are intrinsically wrong.

“Society does not have to protect itself from the market, as if the development of the latter were ipso facto to entail the death of authentically human relations…Therefore it is not the instrument that must be called to account, but individuals, their moral conscience and their personal and social responsibility.” (Caritas et Veritate, Benedict XVI, 2009, #36).

So in short, the position of the Catholic Church on capitalism is basically it depends. But the position of the Church on communism or socialism is that it is never acceptable.

Pope John Paul II - On the Church’s Social Doctrine

Returning now to the initial question: can it perhaps be said that, after the failure of Communism, capitalism is the victorious social system, and that capitalism should be the goal of the countries now making efforts to rebuild their economy and society? Is this the model which ought to be proposed to the countries of the Third World which are searching for the path to true economic and civil progress?

The answer is obviously complex. If by “capitalism” is meant an economic system which recognizes the fundamental and positive role of business, the market, private property and the resulting responsibility for the means of production, as well as free human creativity in the economic sector, then the answer is certainly in the affirmative, even though it would perhaps be more appropriate to speak of a “business economy”, “market economy” or simply “free economy”. But if by “capitalism” is meant a system in which freedom in the economic sector is not circumscribed within a strong juridical framework which places it at the service of human freedom in its totality, and which sees it as a particular aspect of that freedom, the core of which is ethical and religious, then the reply is certainly negative. - Centesimus annus

Pope Pius XI - On Communism

In the beginning Communism showed itself for what it was in all its perversity; but very soon it realized that it was thus alienating the people. It has therefore changed its tactics, and strives to entice the multitudes by trickery of various forms, hiding its real designs behind ideas that in themselves are good and attractive. Thus, aware of the universal desire for peace, the leaders of Communism pretend to be the most zealous promoters and propagandists in the movement for world amity. Yet at the same time they stir up a class-warfare which causes rivers of blood to flow, and, realizing that their system offers no internal guarantee of peace, they have recourse to unlimited armaments. Under various names which do not suggest Communism, they establish organizations and periodicals with the sole purpose of carrying their ideas into quarters otherwise inaccessible. They try perfidiously to worm their way even into professedly Catholic and religious organizations. Again, without receding an inch from their subversive principles, they invite Catholics to collaborate with them in the realm of so-called humanitarianism and charity; and at times even make proposals that are in perfect harmony with the Christian spirit and the doctrine of the Church. Elsewhere they carry their hypocrisy so far as to encourage the belief that Communism, in countries where faith and culture are more strongly entrenched, will assume another and much milder form. It will not interfere with the practice of religion. It will respect liberty of conscience…See to it, Venerable Brethren, that the Faithful do not allow themselves to be deceived! Communism is intrinsically wrong, and no one who would save Christian civilization may collaborate with it in any undertaking whatsoever. Those who permit themselves to be deceived into lending their aid towards the triumph of Communism in their own country, will be the first to fall victims of their error. And the greater the antiquity and grandeur of the Christian civilization in the regions where Communism successfully penetrates, so much more devastating will be the hatred displayed by the godless. - Divini Redemptoris, Encyclical of Pope Pius XI on Atheistic Communism

Pope John XXIII - On Socialism

Pope Pius XI further emphasized the fundamental opposition between Communism and Christianity, and made it clear that no Catholic could subscribe even to moderate Socialism. The reason is that Socialism is founded on a doctrine of human society which is bounded by time and takes no account of any objective other than that of material well-being. Since, therefore, it proposes a form of social organization which aims solely at production, it places too severe a restraint on human liberty, at the same time flouting the true notion of social authority. - Mater et Magistra
 
Pope Pius XI - On Communism

“Refusing to human life any sacred or spiritual character, such a doctrine logically makes of marriage and the family a purely artificial and civil institution…therefore, the notion of an indissoluble marriage-tie is scouted…Communism is particularly characterized by the rejection of any link that binds woman to the family and the home…The care of home and children then devolves upon the collectivity. Finally, the right of education is denied to parents…And as every error contains its element of truth, the partial truths to which We have referred are astutely presented according to the needs of time and place, to conceal, when convenient, the repulsive crudity and inhumanity of Communistic principles and tactics. Thus the Communist ideal wins over many of the better minded members of the community. These in turn become the apostles of the movement among the younger intelligentsia who are still too immature to recognize the intrinsic errors of the system. The preachers of Communism are also proficient in exploiting racial antagonisms and political divisions and oppositions…” - Divini Redemptoris, Encyclical of Pope Pius XI on Atheistic Communism
 
All communists are leftists but not all leftists are communist. Anarchism is leftist without being communist. Not all socialism is communist either so you can be a leftist socialist without necessarily being communist.

Your question is the same as asking if all right wingers are libertarians.
 
You didn’t answer the question with any specifics. What do Communists believe that Leftists don’t?
 
Pope Pius XI further emphasized the fundamental opposition between Communism and Christianity, and made it clear that no Catholic could subscribe even to moderate Socialism. The reason is that Socialism is founded on a doctrine of human society which is bounded by time and takes no account of any objective other than that of material well-being. Since, therefore, it proposes a form of social organization which aims solely at production, it places too severe a restraint on human liberty, at the same time flouting the true notion of social authority. - Mater et Magistra
I suspect that Pius XI’s definition of socialism doesn’t match up with the modern understanding. The idea that social organization is dedicated towards production probably held in the “Union of Soviet Socialist Republics,” but not the Social Democratic Party if Germany. That is, the statement doesn’t seem to object to strong social welfare programs or “nanny states.”
 
I suspect that Pius XI’s definition of socialism doesn’t match up with the modern understanding. The idea that social organization is dedicated towards production probably held in the “Union of Soviet Socialist Republics,” but not the Social Democratic Party if Germany. That is, the statement doesn’t seem to object to strong social welfare programs or “nanny states.”
Of course the countries are different since he wrote in a different time in history. But what part of the descriptions in the paragraphs that I quoted are not identical to the ideology of today’s left? When giving an answer, quote from what I quoted, and then explain why you don’t believe that today’s left matches it.
 
One example is that not all leftists believe the the government should control the means of production.
Can you give an example of a famous leftist who is against big government? It has to be someone who is famous and alive today.
 
You didn’t answer the question with any specifics. What do Communists believe that Leftists don’t?
I’m a political scientist. Check out this chart. It is very good.

Political Spectrum Chart.

The political spectrum really isn’t a line, but really a 3D X/Y axis.

The Y axis = social focus, while the X axis = economic focus.
Zero = community focued, while the higher the number, the more it becomes individual focused.

The Z axis = Government focus.

A true Communist is focused on the Community for both economic & social issues.
A leftist or liberal is focused on Community for economic issues and the individual on social issues.

It’s worth noting, this planet has never had a true Communist society.

Hope this helps.
 
Weren’t the former Soviet Union and China under Mao true communist society? They were certainly communist enough!!
 
Not really. A true communist society cannot have communism forced on it’s people. Otherwise, it will not work. AKA Eastern Europe.

A true communist society cannot exist without one world wide government (which is why the USSR attempted to gain influencing control over half of Europe and Asia) or very few competing societies.

A true communist society is utopia. Robots taking care of the trash and other jobs people don’t want to do; and everyone working to full fill the needs of society, God and their intellect. Money would not be needed. People would work and study to better themselves, society & humanity.

Think of Star Trek, with replicators, etc.

We are NOT ready for anything like that. That’s why communisim fails. It cannot be forced onto anyone. It must evolve.

That said, it can evolve into utopia or hell.
 
Can you give an example of a famous leftist who is against big government? It has to be someone who is famous and alive today.
One leftist who is not a communist would be Ralph Nader. He believes in big government but is not for the total nationalization of all industry. I know you didn’t ask that but just giving an example of a non-communist leftist.
 
Not really. A true communist society cannot have communism forced on it’s people. Otherwise, it will not work. AKA Eastern Europe.

A true communist society cannot exist without one world wide government (which is why the USSR attempted to gain influencing control over half of Europe and Asia) or very few competing societies.

A true communist society is utopia. Robots taking care of the trash and other jobs people don’t want to do; and everyone working to full fill the needs of society, God and their intellect. Money would not be needed. People would work and study to better themselves, society & humanity.

Think of Star Trek, with replicators, etc.

We are NOT ready for anything like that. That’s why communisim fails. It cannot be forced onto anyone. It must evolve.

That said, it can evolve into utopia or hell.
That doesn’t stop the left from believing that a communist utopia is possible.
 
Not really. A true communist society cannot have communism forced on it’s people. Otherwise, it will not work. AKA Eastern Europe.
In Marxist theory communism is the end state of history after socialism has leveled private property and class division through the force of the state. In that respect communism would be forced on people as the goal.

For a very enlightening example of communism in action, look up the period of so-called War Communism in the Soviet Union. It was not just looked upon as an emergency measure but as communism itself. It was a horrific disaster.
 
One leftist who is not a communist would be Ralph Nader. He believes in big government but is not for the total nationalization of all industry.
That sounds like a contradiction to me. If the people don’t control the government the government will control the people.
 
Honestly, a question like this is going to require a lot more than just reading quick answers on a message board. If you really have a desire to understand political philosophy, rather than just make inflammatory threads on CAF, I have a lot of authors, books, and documents that I can refer you to. (I have a BA in Political Science and worked as a TA my first year of law school at a university where I lectured Modern Political Theory).

If you’re curious about Communism, obviously the first place that you want start is Karl Marx. I think that even upon casual reading you will see many stark differences between what he professes and what the modern American left stands for.

I’m not sure what you’re looking for, but if you really want to start from the ground up, you should read about the notions of collectivism and individualism, and what both of those mean. I always encourage reading up on classical liberalism vs modern liberalism (and the same with conservatism), but if you’re looking only at the context of today, that could confuse you.

If you start with Hobbes and Locke you’ll gain some perspective on the original idea behind and purpose of modern, western governments.
 
You seem to have a political agenda, or at least a fixed belief. So why ask people what they think if you don’t consider their responses as adequate if they are not in lockstep with your thoughts? I don’t get the whole premise of the thread.
 
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