Are you sure? It doesn’t look like a yes or no question to me.
And what makes the difference that two people in the exact same circumstances make different decisions?
The will itself is a cause that is free to produce either of two effects. The will itself, and nothing else, causes the difference between the two choices. Anyway that’s what Catholics believe, and I think it resolves the difficulty. What do you think?
I’m happy that you brought this subject up…
How about this. Why are you posting? Nothing is forcing you. You decided to post of your own free will. Case closed.
The main question is, what grant freedom to “will” if it is not the ignorance to how “will” does its job? Let me explain you what I mean by the above statement. Let assume that you are 100% sure about a decision when it comes to a situation after considering all circumstances. Your will is not free in this case as the circumstances dictate you to do so. You however do not know how you decided, in another word how you take care of different circumstances and gather the facts which are needed for decision making. In another word we have relative ignorance toward any decision before a decision is made depending on level of doubt hence we are free. Our “will” cannot be free if we know how it acts hence we have partial ignorance. Does that make sense?
I do know why, but I don’t know how. So the case is not closed.
What do you mean " how ? " If you mean, " how the soul is constructed in such a way that it knows, reasons, wills, remembers, and controls and governs all the body’s functions, " no one can answer because the soul is a non-material substance. And we cannot " see " or " touch " or " detect " the soul, it is a spirtual substance. Only God knows the " how " of the soul.
I don’t think that anything could know how “will” does the job since once you accept the fact that an entity is knowable then its duty is reduced to a functioning. This in fact is another approach against creationism, which states mind/soul, whatever you want to call it, cannot be created.
On the contrary, we know for certain that God created the spiritual form or soul of man. We know also, with absolute certainty that God created the universe, in time, out of nothing. He told us so, and so teaches the Catholic Church. So be it, so be it.
What I am saying is very simple and it based on two facts, first, once you know how a system works then its duty is reduced to functioning, second, if free will is real and we are not robots then one cannot know how it works hence mind cannot be created or if it could then we are robots.
We know none of these things for certain. YOU believe them to be true…YOU have faith that they are true. There is a gigantic difference Linus that many on this board repeatedly fail to acknowledge. If you and others were taught from childhood that the Earth was made of vanilla pudding and believed it, would that make it fact?
Disagree totally, where in the world do you get this stuff? Where are these ideas coming from.
Not true. At some point I come to realize that the Earth is not made of vanilla pudding, just as we learn that there is no Santa Claus and there is no Easter Bunny. You are making the false assumption that there is no intellectual basis to Faith. That is incorrect, although it may be true for some. You should know better than to make a gross generalization like that.
No it don’t work that way. To begin with a robot is programed to do something.
Again no. If you were told the world was made of pudding and you saw with your own eyes this is not true, you would not accept that.
It is my stuff. Would you like to discuss it further?
We are programed as well. Could you compare complex duty that an adult does with what a kid does?
Could you please tell me “how” we could change our mind?
A pure robot doesn’t have. We don’t have pure free will either since we live somewhere between pure life and pure death.
Again could you please explain “how” we could reject to do something good or do something which bad? I am looking to know “how” rather than “why” since there is no “why” in this case.