Is there any religion affirms that they are saved?

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I hear most of the religions that they will be saved in the judgement day. Is there really a confirmation from other religions that they are sure that they are saved?

I watch the Journey Home yesterday and the priest said that no one else knows if the person will be saved but only GOD. I think this may state that even you have lived in a very religious life still you are not sure that you sill be saved. I know that even the saints, when they are alive, still is longing for their soul to enter the kingdom of God and be saved in the last days.

Please correct me if my interpretation is misleading. Thanks
 
I watch the Journey Home yesterday and the priest said that no one else knows if the person will be saved but only GOD. I think this may state that even you have lived in a very religious life still you are not sure that you sill be saved. I know that even the saints, when they are alive, still is longing for their soul to enter the kingdom of God and be saved in the last days.
Your interpretation, from what I understand, is correct. We do NOT know if our salvation is guaranteed, but by the graces recieved through the Sacraments, prayer, and living as best we could a sinless life, we can try and get closer towards achieving this salvation that God promises us through Jesus Christ in baptism.

I understand that there are some non-Catholic faiths that subscribe to “eternal security” - the belief that through Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross that all have been saved, that God maintains that salvation by his power and grace, and that salvation is secure, no matter what that person does.

But in Matt 19:17, the first thing Jesus states when he replies to some who asks, “What good must I do to gain eternal life?” He replies, “If you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” Our salvation was not promised based only on the one act of Christ giving up his life on the cross, but by maintaining the graces recieved by refusing to commit sin.

Here’s some others:
Gal 5:19-21 - “Now the works of the flesh are obvious: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, rivalry, jealousy, outbursts of fury, acts of selfishness, dissensions, factions, occasions of envy, drinking bouts, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.”
James 2:20,24,26: “Do you want proof…that faith without works is useless?..See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone…For just as a body without a spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.”
I’m sure that those who believe in “eternal security” can get a bit nit-picky about the first quote from Matthew, but they’d be hard-pressed to refute the text from James 2.
 
Don’t neglect the verses which say that we have been saved, or Jesus’ statement that those who possess saving faith have passed from death to life, or St. Paul’s language of assurance regarding himself.

OSAS/“eternal security” says that one may know what his state of grace will be later in life. That doctrine isn’t essential to the New Testament teaching that one may know his state of grace now.

1Jo 5:11-13 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

I know what will happen to me if I die today, and God wants all of us to know the same.
 
I dated a Baptist once that said he was taught that once a person accepts Jesus Christ as their Savior and admits that they are a sinner, then they will be assured eternal salvation. He would quote Bible scripture affirming his position.

Shannin
 
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Kevan:
Don’t neglect the verses which say that we have been saved, or Jesus’ statement that those who possess saving faith have passed from death to life, or St. Paul’s language of assurance regarding himself.

OSAS/“eternal security” says that one may know what his state of grace will be later in life. That doctrine isn’t essential to the New Testament teaching that one may know his state of grace now.

1Jo 5:11-13 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.

I know what will happen to me if I die today, and God wants all of us to know the same.
i cannot argue with regards to the teachings of the apostles. I think God gave us the assurance that we can be saved and live in eternal life with Him but that is just an assurance and not a confirmation. Even if you lived a saintly life still you don’t know if you will be saved in the last days. Only God knows who will be saved because he knew us more than we knew ourselves.
 
viktor aleksndr:
I think God gave us the assurance that we can be saved and live in eternal life with Him but that is just an assurance and not a confirmation.
Very well said, Viktor!! 👍
 
St. Paul said that even he didn’t know for sure if he was saved (Phi. 3:10-15), and that all Christians should think this way and God would show them their error if they didn’t… quite a fearful warning if you ask me.
 
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Lazerlike42:
St. Paul said that even he didn’t know for sure if he was saved (Phi. 3:10-15), and that all Christians should think this way and God would show them their error if they didn’t… quite a fearful warning if you ask me.
And that’s Paul. Do the OSAS crowd think they’re better than Paul?
 
Well, my jack baptist sister, who hasn’t set a foot in church in 20 years, and don’t even ask what she’s been up to since, says she’s saved. :rolleyes:
 
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catsrus:
Well, my jack baptist sister, who hasn’t set a foot in church in 20 years, and don’t even ask what she’s been up to since, says she’s saved. :rolleyes:
She’s deceived. The Bible says that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9).

Real salvation changes the heart and life. No fruit = no root. “If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation” (2 Corinthians 5:17).
 
viktor aleksndr:
Even if you lived a saintly life still you don’t know if you will be saved in the last days. Only God knows who will be saved because he knew us more than we knew ourselves.
I know that I am saved today, not because I live a saintly life, but because I have the assurance that God has taken away my sins for Jesus’ sake. Consider these verses from St. Paul:The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs–heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with him that we might also be glorified together. (Romans 8:16-17)The inward witness of the Holy Spirit is the privilege of everyone who has been truly born again.

The apostle John said: These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life (1 John 5:13).You can know for certain that you have passed from death to life (John 5:24).
 
We can not be sure we are saved. Even St. Paul did not know for sure.

Phi 3:10-15 My goal is to know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, assuming that I will somehow reach the resurrection from among the dead. Not that I have already reached the goal or am already fully mature, but I make every effort to take hold of it because I also have been taken hold of by Christ Jesus. Brothers, I do not consider myself to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: forgetting what is behind and reaching forward to what is ahead, I pursue as my goal the prize promised by God’s heavenly call in Christ Jesus. Therefore, all who are mature should think this way. And if you think differently about anything, God will reveal this to you also.

Note several things from thbis passage. It is St. Paul’s goal the he know Christ and to reach the resurrection. He is assuming he will “somehow” reach the resurrection. He is not sure of it at all. Also notice that he has already “been taken hold of by Christ.” He clearly has faith, and true faith at that. Christ has gone so far as to take hold of St. Paul, so as that, as he tells us elsewhere, it is not Paul who lives but rather Christ who lives in him. Even given that St. Paul is not sure of his salvation. He does not consider himself “to have taken hold of it.” He is “reaching forward” and striving for the “prize” of salvation that awaits him, but he does not have it. In fact, he warns us that all mature Christians should think this way or else God will “reaveal” it to them. Anybody familiar with the language of the Scriptures knows that the idea of God “revealing” something to a person refers to God’s wrath and judgement. This is a strong warning against the idea of believing we are already saved.

Also read St. Paul’s statement in Romans:

Rom 5:2 “Also through Him, we have obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God.”

St. Paul does not say that we rejoice in the Glory of God, but in the hope of it.
Karl Keating:
After a parish seminar I spoke with a young man, a Fundamentalist, who insisted that one can have an absolute assurance of salvation.

“All you need to do is to accept Christ as your personal Lord and Savior,” he said. That acceptance will make you a “born-again Christian,” with heaven guaranteed. Nothing you later might do, no sin you might commit, would exclude you from heaven.

I proposed to him a hypothetical situation.

"Let’s say your pastor became a born-again Christian at age fifteen. He now is 75 and for sixty years has lived an exemplary Christian life. So far as anyone knows, and so far as he himself knows, he never, in those sixty years, has committed a serious sin.

"Today, while being in full possession of his faculties, he changes completely. He commits adultery, murders a stranger, robs a bank, deliberately runs over a cat with his car, shouts obscenities at passersby, and then commits suicide, cursing God as he dies unrepentant.

“My question to you,” I said to the young man, “is this: Does your minister go to heaven or hell?”

“To hell, of course.”

“How can that be, since he is a born-again Christian?”

“No, he isn’t.”

“Yes, he is, as I told you at the start.”

“No, he can’t be born-again.”

“Hey, this is my hypothetical! I told you he was a born-again Christian.”

“No born-again Christian would do those things.”

“So you mean that he fooled everyone, including himself, for sixty years? You mean he was mistaken?”

“Of course. There’s no other answer.”

Then I had a small revelation.

"What you’re saying is that you can’t tell whether a man really is a born-again Christian until he’s safely dead. It means you can’t tell if you yourself are a real Christian. You might be fooling yourself, as the minister fooled himself. The conclusion is that you can’t have the absolute assurance you’d like to have.

"In practice, if not in theory, you are perilously close to the Catholic understanding of salvation.

"The Catholic Church teaches that we can have a moral assurance of salvation but not an absolute assurance. We can be assured that we will go to heaven–if we remain in the state of grace. But we can have no assurance that we will persevere in such a state, much as we might want to at the moment.

"The Church teaches that since ‘God wills the salvation of all men,’ he gives each of us enough grace to be saved. Grace is a gift, and a gift is not forced upon the recipient. A gift can be accepted or rejected, and it can be rejected after once being accepted.

“The minister in my hypothetical once accepted grace and, on the last day of his life, rejected it, losing his salvation. He died grace-less and therefore disqualified for heaven.”
 
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Kevan:
I know that I am saved today, not because I live a saintly life, but because I have the assurance that God has taken away my sins for Jesus’ sake. Consider these verses from St. Paul:The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs–heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with him that we might also be glorified together. (Romans 8:16-17)The inward witness of the Holy Spirit is the privilege of everyone who has been truly born again.

The apostle John said:These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life (1 John 5:13).You can know for certain that you have passed from death to life (John 5:24).
As i’ve said before i cannot disagree with the apostles. What i am trying to say is the confirmation that we are saved. Jesus gave us the assurance but not confirmation.
We can (not WE ARE) be saved if we have faith, charity and obedience (these includes good deeds); at least to sum up the teachings,
Many people said especially some pastors always say that they will be saved. I guess it is much better to say that we CAN be saved.
 
The Catholic Church teaches that we can have a moral assurance of salvation but not an absolute assurance. We can be assured that we will go to heaven–if we remain in the state of grace. But we can have no assurance that we will persevere in such a state, much as we might want to at the moment.
Nothing I wrote disagrees with this, although I wouldn’t choose this terminology.

Nothing in Philippians 3 disagrees with what I wrote. I was careful to write about the assurance of present salvation. Paul was writing about the need to endure to the end. That is an OSAS question which I never even touched on.

Now, what about the verses I mentioned earlier?

*Have you passed from death to life?

Do you know that you have eternal life?

Has it made you a new creation in Christ, old things passing away, new things replacing them?

Does the Holy Spirit bear witness in your spirit that you are an heir of God and joint heir with Christ?*

Don’t confuse it with some “pray this prayer and it’s all over” anecdote. Stay with the issue: the Bible teaches that you can know for certain what will happen to you if you die today. That’s what St. Paul was speaking of in chapter one of Philippians when he said that, if he should die, he would be with Christ (v. 23).
 
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Kevan:
Do you know that you have eternal life?
Yes, all of us will have an eternal life after death. The question is where?

I can live eternally in the kingdom of heaven but as for now i am not sure if i can live in there. Only God knows wether i will stay with Him eternally or not. That is why i am keeping my faith and always pray to God that i might have an eternal life with Him in heaven.
I am always seeking and praying for wisdom and discernment for me to live in state of grace.
 
Lazerlike42, that’s a pretty good article. Do you realize that it is saying essentially what I have been saying?
I have another friend on the train who is a member of an Orthodox church. In reaction against many of his Evangelical friends, he insists he has no assurance of salvation. “If God wants to save me, that’s his business. I can’t know for sure.” My friend’s reaction is an unwarranted pendulum swing to the other extreme. The promises of God mean something, don’t they? When Jesus says, “He who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life,” doesn’t that suggest a kind of assurance?
Although the writer is unable to deal with Romans 8, except to treat it as though it doesn’t belong in the Bible, he does still grasp the essence of assurance.

Viktor, does the verse you refer to speak of having eternal life one day in Heaven, or having eternal life now? Look it up; read it in context; see what it says. Read the article Lazerlike42 mentioned. Perseverance and growing are good and necessary things, but they are merely a charade unless one has first passed, as Jesus said, from death to life.
 
The evangelical community some associates of mine believe in “Once Saved Always Saved.” I guess it could be compared to our belief that nothing can undo the character that Ordination (or baptism and confirmation) confers…

Doesn’t sit well biblically or traditionally though…
 
viktor aleksndr:
i cannot argue with regards to the teachings of the apostles. I think God gave us the assurance that we can be saved and live in eternal life with Him but that is just an assurance and not a confirmation. Even if you lived a saintly life still you don’t know if you will be saved in the last days. Only God knows who will be saved because he knew us more than we knew ourselves.
Correct, Catholics have a moral assurance of salvation in that we believe that God will be totally to His promise of salvation to all the faithful. The thing that we are not 100% sure about is the degree of our commitment to Christ at the moment of our death when we will be judged.
 
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