Is there anyone here that believes that there exists conflict in the Bible or that one Bible verse conflicts with another Bible verse?

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Is there anyone here that believes that there exists conflict in the Bible or that one Bible verse conflicts with another Bible verse?

I have asked this question in a thread because when I read some of these verses here posted by non-Catholic Christians to try to disprove Catholicism and I ask this question, I never get a straight answer.

In order to use a verse from a “Catholic Book” - the Bible, to “disprove” Catholicism, the verse has to be used out of context or in “conflict” with another verse. There is no conflict in the Bible when read and understood in context and it All supports Catholicism. And, it All points towards Jesus Christ in one way or another, the Old Testament and the New Testament… (Bible Typology and Christology)

The Bible is the “Word of God” and Jesus is “Word” and God. God is not in conflict with Himself…Right?

I have talked with many non-Catholic Christians who do hold this belief, that there does exist “conflict” in the Bible and they do “bounce” one verse off another to try and cancel-out a “Catholic” verse or verses. If you believe this, don’t be shy, let’s talk about it, this is an important issue!

Do not be affraid to tell us what you really believe…😃
 
Jimmy_B said:
Is there anyone here that believes that there exists conflict in the Bible or that one Bible verse conflicts with another Bible verse?

I have asked this question in a thread because when I read some of these verses here posted by non-Catholic Christians to try to disprove Catholicism and I ask this question, I never get a straight answer.

In order to use a verse from a “Catholic Book” - the Bible, to “disprove” Catholicism, the verse has to be used out of context or in “conflict” with another verse. There is no conflict in the Bible when read and understood in context and it All supports Catholicism. And, it All points towards Jesus Christ in one way or another, the Old Testament and the New Testament… (Bible Typology and Christology)

The Bible is the “Word of God” and Jesus is “Word” and God. God is not in conflict with Himself…Right?

I have talked with many non-Catholic Christians who do hold this belief, that there does exist “conflict” in the Bible and they do “bounce” one verse off another to try and cancel-out a “Catholic” verse or verses. If you believe this, don’t be shy, let’s talk about it, this is an important issue!

Do not be affraid to tell us what you really believe…😃
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Jimmy conflict only exists when you divorce the Scriptures from the community in which and for which they were compiled.

You cannot have a correct understanding of the Scriptures unless you understand them through the Tradition of the Church.

Yours in Christ
Joe
 
The Catechism of the Catholic Church

The unity of the Old and New Testaments
128 The Church, as early as apostolic times,104 and then constantly in her Tradition, has illuminated the unity of the divine plan in the two Testaments through typology, which discerns in God’s works of the Old Covenant prefigurations of what he accomplished in the fullness of time in the person of his incarnate Son.
129 Christians therefore read the Old Testament in the light of Christ crucified and risen. Such typological reading discloses the inexhaustible content of the Old Testament; but it must not make us forget that the Old Testament retains its own intrinsic value as Revelation reaffirmed by our Lord himself.105 Besides, the New Testament has to be read in the light of the Old. Early Christian catechesis made constant use of the Old Testament.106 As an old saying put it, the New Testament lies hidden in the Old and the Old Testament is unveiled in the New.107 130 Typology indicates the dynamic movement toward the fulfillment of the divine plan when "God [will] be everything to everyone."108 Nor do the calling of the patriarchs and the exodus from Egypt, for example, lose their own value in God’s plan, from the mere fact that they were intermediate stages
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The Catechism of the Catholic Church

102 Through all the words of Sacred Scripture, God speaks only one single Word, his one Utterance in whom he expresses himself completely:****

You recall that one and the same Word of God extends throughout Scripture, that it is one and the same Utterance that resounds in the mouths of all the sacred writers, since he who was in the beginning God with God has no need of separate syllables; for he is not subject to time.

108 Still, the Christian faith is not a “religion of the book.” Christianity is the religion of the “Word” of God, a word which is “not a written and mute word, but the Word which is incarnate and living”. If the Scriptures are not to remain a dead letter, Christ, the eternal Word of the living God, must, through the Holy Spirit, “open [our] minds to understand the Scriptures.”

123 Christians venerate the Old Testament as true Word of God. The Church has always vigorously opposed the idea of rejecting the Old Testament under the pretext that the New has rendered it void (Marcionism).

**124 **“The Word of God, which is the power of God for salvation to everyone who has faith, is set forth and displays its power in a most wonderful way in the writings of the New Testament” which hand on the ultimate truth of God’s Revelation. Their central object is Jesus Christ, God’s incarnate Son: his acts, teachings, Passion and glorification, and his Church’s beginnings under the Spirit’s guidance.

135 “The Sacred Scriptures contain the Word of God and, because they are inspired, they are truly the Word of God” (DV 24).

**182 **We believe all “that which is contained in the word of God, written or handed down, and which the Church proposes for belief as divinely revealed” (Paul VI, CPG § 20).

241 For this reason the apostles confess Jesus to be the Word: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God”; as “the image of the invisible God”; as the “radiance of the glory of God and the very stamp of his nature”.

1100 The Word of God. The Holy Spirit first recalls the meaning of the salvation event to the liturgical assembly by giving life to the Word of God, which is proclaimed so that it may be received and lived:

In the celebration of the liturgy, Sacred Scripture is extremely important. From it come the lessons that are read and explained in the homily and the psalms that are sung. It is from the Scriptures that the prayers, collects, and hymns draw their inspiration and their force, and that actions and signs derive their meaning.

1102 “By the saving word of God, faith . . . is nourished in the hearts of believers. By this faith then the congregation of the faithful begins and grows.” The proclamation does not stop with a teaching; it elicits the response of faith as consent and commitment, directed at the covenant between God and his people. Once again it is the Holy Spirit who gives the grace of faith, strengthens it and makes it grow in the community. The liturgical assembly is first of all a communion in faith.

**1802 **The Word of God is a light for our path. We must assimilate it in faith and prayer and put it into practice. This is how moral conscience is formed.

2665 The prayer of the Church, nourished by the Word of God and the celebration of the liturgy, teaches us to pray to the Lord Jesus. Even though her prayer is addressed above all to the Father, it includes in all the liturgical traditions forms of prayer addressed to Christ. Certain psalms, given their use in the Prayer of the Church, and the New Testament place on our lips and engrave in our hearts prayer to Christ in the form of invocations: Son of God, Word of God, Lord, Savior, Lamb of God, King, Beloved Son, Son of the Virgin, Good Shepherd, our Life, our Light, our Hope, our Resurrection, Friend of mankind.
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Bible verses only appear to conflict when misinterpreted.

I didn’t answer your poll because it is confusing. I cant make out what exactly you are asking on it.

Do I think anyone here thinks the Bible contradicts? Yes someone probably does. Saw a post claiming it before.
Do people try to disprove Catholicism using Scripture? yes
Do I think Scriptures contradict themselves? No
Do I think verses cancel one another out? No

Vote yes or no? I have no clue which question I’m supposed to answer!
 
Syele said:
Bible verses only appear to conflict when misinterpreted.

I didn’t answer your poll because it is confusing. I cant make out what exactly you are asking on it.

Do I think anyone here thinks the Bible contradicts? Yes someone probably does. Saw a post claiming it before.
Do people try to disprove Catholicism using Scripture? yes
Do I think Scriptures contradict themselves? No
Do I think verses cancel one another out? No

Vote yes or no? I have no clue which question I’m supposed to answer!
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Hi Syele,

I am sorry, you are right, I cut and pasted the thread title to the poll question…Let’s pretend that I am not as dumb as I appear to be at times (you noticed I said “pretend” 😃 ) and that the poll question is really -

“Do you believe that there exists conflict in the Bible or that one Bible verse conflicts with another Bible verse?”

Is that better…I hope… 🙂

Peace
 
Jimmy_B said:
Hi Syele,

I am sorry, you are right, I cut and pasted the thread title to the poll question…Let’s pretend that I am not as dumb as I appear to be at times (you noticed I said “pretend” 😃 ) and that the poll question is really -

“Do you believe that there exists conflict in the Bible or that one Bible verse conflicts with another Bible verse?”

Is that better…I hope… 🙂

Peace
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It is much better 🙂

And you are not dumb. 😛
 
Jimmy, there may be apparent conflicts, but that, IMNSHO, comes from taking verses out of context…
When I was growing up, I remember being told that there are three rules for Bible interpretation:

  1. *]Context.
    *]Context.
    *]And then, of course: Context.
    It made sense then, & it makes sense now…
    Now some verses are easier to understand than others. The problem I see, is when people try to use apparent conflicts to “vote” on the meaning oif the Bible…like you know, “there are 3 verses that sound like me, & only 2 that sound like you, so:eek: nyah-nyah-nyah, nyah-nyah-nyah, I am right & you are wrong”.
    That comes from proof-texting…of which there is another dandy old saying:
    “A proof-text without a context is a pretext”. (😃 Gotta love those old Methodist sayings from:p us old Methodist ladies).
 
I’m curious to hear what the people who voted yes have to say. Please, do tell.
 
I doubt you are going to get any Protestants to say yes to this question. There is this from my NAB study Bible.

In the genealogy of Christ in Matthew 1, Matthew writes that there are 14 generations from Abraham to David, 14 generations from David to the Babylonian exile, and 14 generations from the Babylonian exile to Christ.

However… he only lists 13 generations in the last set. In addition, the second set lists 14 generations, but if you follow through the book of Chronicles, there are actually three generations omitted.

usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew1.htm#foot5

This is just a simple example and is not really related to doctrine, but here you have one Bible verse contradicting another. I pointed this out once to a bible only believer and was met with crickets.
 
Yes, I find some Bible passages contradict other passages. The Bible is a very human book with God’s handprint on it.
 
In my teen years (was Protestant) I thought I saw some verses in St. Paul’s epistles that seemed to contradict what the Gospels said. Since entering the RCC I went through all of St. Paul’s epistles looking for those contradictions and haven’t found anything contradictory. Maybe it was wishful thinking on my part as a teen and/or since I was part of the 70’s culture. :o :rolleyes:
 
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