Is there anything that if we as Catholics were wrong on we'd go to hell?

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It’s hypothetical. I’m simply trying to answer the OP’s question. It’s not willfully entertaining doubts. If I say what if elephants didn’t exist, I don’t actually doubt the existence of elephants.
 
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I don’t think we would be culpable since we wouldn’t know it was bad
 
Aquinas11 said:
Well if we were wrong that Jesus is Messiah (we’re not), then we would go to hell since I’m definitely not abiding by the 614 rules in the Old Testament nor do I have access to the blood atonement system Moses used that is required to forgive sins
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But non-Jews were not expected to observe all of the precepts in the law before the time of Christ. Israel was a mostly self-contained nation and even after the diaspora they lived in fairly self-contained communities. The Great Commission is recorded at the end of the gospel of Matthew.
 
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I was just sitting here thinking and the question came to my head that is if we Catholics were wrong on something would there be anything that would be important enough that we would go to hell over believing? I’m not talking about things that all Christians agree on but more the things that Catholics specifically believe. I hope I phrased the question in an understandable way. 🙂
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I’m all for hypotheticals. I mean, what if there were no hypotheticals? 😉

To answer your question: We are not saved by our knowledge, and we are not condemned by our ignorance.

This relates to the very basic truth that we as humans cannot reach heaven without God. There is no knowledge, secret formula, rocket ship, time warp, or any amount of human progress that can carry us across the infinite separation between this universe and God.

The only way is by God’s act of salvation, or grace as we call it.

That’s not the only thing, but it’s necessarily the first thing. Secondarily, for our part, we need to accept that gift of grace and cooperate in God’s act of salvation. But that is more a matter of love and faith, not human knowledge.
 
q54332 said:
I was just sitting here thinking and the question came to my head that is if we Catholics were wrong on something would there be anything that would be important enough that we would go to hell over believing? I’m not talking about things that all Christians agree on but more the things that Catholics specifically believe. I hope I phrased the question in an understandable way. 🙂
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The real question,

do we as Catholics, have protection from the Church officially teaching error? The answer is YES

Who did that promise of protection come from? Jesus

“Not even the gates of Hell will prevail against His Church”
 
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True, but if you’re worshipping Jesus that’s very different than the devil who is filled with hate for God.
 
The Mass and Eucharistic Adoration.

If we’re wrong, we are committing blatant idolatry.

This really speaks to the strength of our claims, much like Jesus’ claims about himself. For the Catholic church, there is no middle ground. We are either right, and therefore we have divine origins and divine protection.

Or we are wrong, in which case, we’re not merely “another” church among many. We would be a diabolical institution straight from the depths of hell.

I believe and am convinced that the Catholic Church teaches the truth. That’s why I stay despite the failings of its pastors.
 
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q54332 said:
I know we believe what we believed, I was just asking IF we were wrong what would be the things that might have us sent to hell.
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Hypotheticals can be corrosive to faith.
The Christian faith is incarnate. As @steve-b notes we should have confidence in the institution that Christ is the head of and not look for loopholes. There are plenty of uncertainties in life without adding to them hypothetically.
 
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porthos11 said:
The Mass and Eucharistic Adoration.

If we’re wrong, we are committing blatant idolatry.

This really speaks to the strength of our claims, much like Jesus’ claims about himself. For the Catholic church, there is no middle ground. We are either right, and therefore we have divine origins and divine protection.

Or we are wrong, in which case, we’re not merely “another” church among many. We would be a diabolical institution straight from the depths of hell.

I believe and am convinced that the Catholic Church teaches the truth. That’s why I stay despite the failings of its some pastors.
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I hope you won’t mind, I made a slight adjustment in one word, in your response.
 
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We’re all ignorant to one degree or another as individuals at least, being human and all without God’s perfect knowledge. We’re judged based on what we do on the knowledge we have
 
Is that what that verse means? I always assumed it to mean that the Church would never collapse and disappear.
 
With respect to the original question of this thread, in the verse about the Deposit of Faith, Paul tells Timothy to “guard what has been entrusted to you.”
What if that which was entrusted to the Church has not been properly guarded throughout the years, i.e. false beliefs were formed and began to be believed?
 
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What if that which was entrusted to the Church has not been properly guarded throughout the years, i.e. false beliefs were formed and began to be believed?
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then Jesus would be a liar because he said the gates of hell shall not prevail against his church. For the church to teach error in matters of faith and morals would mean that the devil had defeated Christ’s Church.
 
vsedriver said:
then Jesus would be a liar because he said the gates of hell shall not prevail against his church.
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Unless he didn’t say that and that is what, in this thought experiment, Catholics were wrong about. Then he wouldn’t be a liar but the church also wouldn’t be impervious to the devil’s efforts.

Still not sure how any of this is useful as if you start with the hypothetical that the church and faith are wrong, you have no idea what the rules for avoiding hell would be.
 
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