Is there EC representation in the USCCB?

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You consider yourself controled by Rome? I am missing the Catholic sentiment here.

Are those Churches you mention Catholic as well?
Yes, sadly the Ruthenian Church is “controled” by Rome at the present time. I – of course – would prefer that it be truly self-governing and in communion with Rome, but that is unlikely to happen, since my Church is suffering a general decline in numbers in the United States.
 
Yes, sadly the Ruthenian Church is “controled” by Rome at the present time. I – of course – would prefer that it be truly self-governing and in communion with Rome, but that is unlikely to happen, since my Church is suffering a general decline in numbers in the United States.
What need has it for autocephaly?
 
Why are the ones in America not as you suggest?
Because the Ruthenian Church in America was made into a separate sui juris Church distinct from the Ruthenian Church in Europe. Also the Ruthenian Church in America suffered two schisms because of Latin interference in its internal governance: the first occurred during the 19th century, and the second occurred during the 1930s. In both cases large numbers of Ruthenians converted to Eastern Orthodoxy. Now there are perhaps 100,000 Ruthenian Catholics left in the United States, and that number is probably inflated.
 
What need has it for autocephaly?
If only the Eastern Catholic Churches had full autocephaly, but alas we have a weaker form of self-governance than that (i.e., the sui juris status). I think that the Eastern Catholic Churches should insist upon full autocephaly, because the Pope is not our Patriarch, he is only the primus inter pares within the original Pentarchy.
 
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Apotheoun:
Actually, the pope should not be appointing our bishops.
Joab Anias:
Why not he appoints ours?
Historically, the hierarchs of Eastern and Oriental Catholic Churches are elected by the Holy Synods of the respective Churches. In the instance of non-Patriarchal Churches (and those canonical jurisdictions of Patriarchal Churches that are outside the historical boundaries of the respective Patriarchates), Rome has assumed the authority to name (or approve the naming, in the case of Patriarchal Churches) the hierarchs.

Thus, the Holy Synod of the Melkite Greek-Catholic Church will elect the Archeparch of Saint John in Acre of the Melkites (in Israel), but its selection of the Eparch of Newton of the Melkites (in the US) will require papal approval.

In the case of the Ruthenian Church, it being a Metropolitan rather than Patriarchal Church, all hierarchs are appointed by Rome.
Joab Anias:
Simply because its a Roman practice does not prove to me Rome in any way asked the Eastern Catholics to adopt it.
Latinizations imposed from within, whether in an effort to appear “more Catholic”, curry favor, or fit in, are no less demeaning to our spiritual and historical patrimony than those imposed from without.

Many years,

Neil
 
Latinizations imposed from within, whether in an effort to appear “more Catholic”, curry favor, or fit in, are no less demeaning to our spiritual and historical patrimony than those imposed from without.
I would not intend to demean anyone. Why would finding truth within Roman praxis be considered demeaning to anyone? After all isn’t the search and journey in this life why we emulate the practices of the Saints?

Why is it assumed that any Roman practices are adopted for these reasons you mentioned? I would certainly not be opposed to adopting Eastern Catholic practices for their efficacy.

Perhaps American culture isn’t as important to me. Our national mentality is that of a melting pot.

Aren’t we supposed to find the good where-ever it may be?

Couldn’t it be possible that such adoption by Eastern Catholic bishops could happen independently on the merits of the theology or in the light of new understanding of Gods Divine Mercy by the Eastern Catholic hierarchies? i.e.: the Holy Spirit leading into all truth through the unity of the Churches rather than the more shallow reasons you mentioned above.

I understand the sensitivity to change on the behalf of the laity but perhaps instead of coming up with terminology like Latinization, Eastern Catholics should differ to their bishops on the issue.

I see similar disparities though history on the ascent to almost all the Church councils. We are currently enduring the growing pains of Vat II. Perhaps were just not ready. Where are we heading?

My understanding of autocephaly is that certain bishops in early Christian times were not subject to any patriarch or metropolitan for the cause and advancement of evangelism. They were dependent solely and directly on a triennial provincial synod of bishops and on the Holy See.

I am aware of some modern autocephalous bishops in South America and Darfur for example; because of isolation and oppressive regimes autocephaly missions are necessary to reach out to the indigenous peoples, though these bishops remain under obedience from whence they came.

Should then these Bishops who then incorporate local culture (which should be preserved) and which results in creating new customs then claim a right to become independent from whence they came?

In this understanding I don’t see where Eastern Catholic Churches claim a right to autocephaly aside from preservation of customs and culture as the apostles were united and had an effective means of coming together to settle any matter despite where they wound up on their own travels.

In the simplest terms I can put it, if we are all Catholic shouldn’t we all be together under the same apostles? (Not meaning specifically under Rome or any forced superfluous ritual uniformity or differentiation of rite).

Given modern communications and transportation isn’t a Catholic unity possible for the most part?

Why then shouldn’t all Catholic Churches come together in the Holy Spirit to deliberate together which I would see as no obstacle to preserving respective Churches culture and custom?

Peace.
 
Grace and Peace,

I find a lot of this driven by a desire for identity within a praxis that falls outside the common Roman identity. It gives one ‘distance’ from Rome and those who would criticize her. I understand the desire for I myself started to fall prey to it…
 
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Because “conferences” of bishops are a Latin innovation. It would be better for the bishops of the various Eastern Catholic Churches to form a separate synod, which could then address issues of concern to their particular Churches.
This whole, “The East should have nothing to do with West” thing is getting REALLY worn out.
 
By canon law, the Episcopal Conference is now a permanent institution in the Catholic Church and can only be abolished or suppressed by an amendment of exisitng codes by the Supreme Authority in the Church.

It is composed of the assembly of all Bishops, Eastern and Latin, of a given country or of a certain territory (2 or more countries where the Catholic presence is not overwhelming), exercising together certain pastoral offices for Christ’s faithful of that territory.

As a general rule, Eastern Bishops have only a consultative vote unless the statutes of the Episcopal Conference decree otherwise. For example, in India the Episcopal Conference allows both Eastern and Latin bishops to have a deliberative vote equally. In the U.S., however, only the Latin Bishops have a deliberative vote while the Eastern Bishops have only a consultative vote.

Previously, the Eastern Bishops in the U.S. were grouped with the region (Regions I thru XIV) where their respective eparchies were physically located. Beginning this year, all the Eastern Bishops are now grouped separately under a new Region XV of the USCCB which covers the entire United States and its territories and possessions.

One positive aspect of membership of the Eastern Bishops in the USCCB has been the annual grants of much needed funds to individual Eastern Catholic Churches for use in their repective evangelization programs.

It is rarely mentioned in the media or by the hierarchs of the Eastern Catholic Churches but each grantee has been applying for, and receiving, these funds quietly, without an obligation to repay the USCCB.
 
Chris B and East and West, I could not agree more.

Bishop Ireland, he dead. It’s a new world now. Cain’t we all just get along? 🙂

I seriously considered joining a group lobbying for a Byzantine mission in our area. One reason why I never followed through on it was the us-vs.-them mentality I encountered so often online. I don’t think any of us Byzantine-fancying Latins want to impose Latinizations on our Eastern brethren. Far from it. We just want to be free to enjoy the entire patrimony of the Church. If something’s meaningful to people, then it’s meaningful, whether its provenance is eastern or western. “In Christ there is no East or West,” as the fine old Protestant hymn puts it. Which is not to say that there are not important differences in praxis and approach. Of course there are. But they need not be sources of discord and division. I pray that they will not be.
 
Chris B and East and West, I could not agree more.

Bishop Ireland, he dead. It’s a new world now. Cain’t we all just get along? 🙂

I seriously considered joining a group lobbying for a Byzantine mission in our area. One reason why I never followed through on it was the us-vs.-them mentality I encountered so often online. I don’t think any of us Byzantine-fancying Latins want to impose Latinizations on our Eastern brethren. Far from it. We just want to be free to enjoy the entire patrimony of the Church. If something’s meaningful to people, then it’s meaningful, whether its provenance is eastern or western. “In Christ there is no East or West,” as the fine old Protestant hymn puts it. Which is not to say that there are not important differences in praxis and approach. Of course there are. But they need not be sources of discord and division. I pray that they will not be.
It seems that some try to put up as many divisions between Eastern Catholicism and Western Catholicism. But the fact is that we are the ONE body of Christ. We should proclaim ONE Lord, administer ONE baptism, PROCLAIM ONE FAITH, and worship one God and Father of us all. This disagreement in teachings is an insult to the faith, and drags our religion down to the level of protestantism.
 
Actually, the new Eastern code of canon law is itself a massive Latinization, as the Melkite Catholic Patriarch has himself said, and that is why he is calling for a major revision of socalled “Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches.”

The one hour Eucharistic fast is a modern Latin practice; so, yes, it is a Latinization, and it has no place in the Ruthenian Church.
The Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches is basically the Latin code with a few canons that are oriented toward the eastern churches. It seems to me that this code is basically a Byzantinized Laitn code.
 
The Ruthenian Church is supposed to be a self-governing Church.

The pope has no authority to appoint bishops in the sui juris Churches of the East. He is – after all – only the first among equals in the episcopate.
The Pope has universal Jurisdiction. He has every right to appoint any bishop he chooses.
 
The Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches is basically the Latin code with a few canons that are oriented toward the eastern churches. It seems to me that this code is basically a Byzantinized Laitn code.
Why is everything that is Catholic as opposed to Eastern Orhtodox called “Latin”?
 
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