Is there life in outer space?

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The_Serpent said:
Yes, there could be life on other planets. There is no problem with plant life, insects, or animal life; since it doesn’t touch upon issues of redemption. There are theological issues with intelligent sentient beings; which hopefully the Church will work on.

Now there are some passages of the Bible that some people quote as supporting Alien life; I’m thinking of people like Erich Von Daniken and “Ancient Aliens” theorists. For example, Genesis 6: 4 refers to “sons of God” mating with “daughters of men” and producing the giants. Now I do not say this is the correction interpretation. But some people point at passages like this as referring to aliens and humans interbreeding. Any thoughts on the proper interpretation of this Genesis reference?:hmmm:
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I believe that that is the proper interpretation of Genesis, that the fallen angels mated with human women, especially when you read the book of Enoch that says the same exact thing as Genesis concerning fallen angels mating with human women except in the book of Enoch they call them fallen angels more plainly which leaves no doubt the the ones that mated with human women were not humans. 😉 Those offspring could be what some see when they think they see aliens. That also explains why God caused the flood too and why it grieved His heart that He had made man. I know some think the sons of God were just another group of humans but I believe they were fallen angels and they didn’t have a name for them back then except that they were something God created, sons or creations of God and that they weren’t human. I also believe a lot of the false pagan religions began from people worshiping those fallen angels and their offspring as gods. Think about it, lucifer wanted to take God’s place and wanted to be worshiped as god, so he and his followers comes to earth and set themselves up among humans as a god and make offspring with human women and those offspring are worshiped as gods. That all makes more sense than just the sons of God were another group of humans. Why would God be upset that one group of humans mated with another group? And as bad as this world is now, what made things so bad back then as to cause God to create the flood? Fallen angels setting themselves up as gods on earth and mating with human women sounds like a good enough reason for a flood to destroy all of that.

And when you look at shows like Ancient Aliens, it is clear that something was going on back then. Too many unexplainable things. The Bible clearly says giants existed back then like the one David slew. When Jesus died on the cross for our sins and to save us, and released His Spirit on the earth, I think that’s what’s holding back the fallen angels from doing that again for now. That’s why people just see glimpses and sightings of UFO activity and nothing more for now. But the book of Revelations talks about some strange things happening near the end after God’s Spirit leaves the earth to go to Heaven.
 
Skye_Ariel said:
I believe that that is the proper interpretation of Genesis, that the fallen angels mated with human women, especially when you read the book of Enoch that says the same exact thing as Genesis concerning fallen angels mating with human women except in the book of Enoch they call them fallen angels more plainly which leaves no doubt the the ones that mated with human women were not humans. 😉 Those offspring could be what some see when they think they see aliens. That also explains why God caused the flood too and why it grieved His heart that He had made man. I know some think the sons of God were just another group of humans but I believe they were fallen angels and they didn’t have a name for them back then except that they were something God created, sons or creations of God and that they weren’t human. I also believe a lot of the false pagan religions began from people worshiping those fallen angels and their offspring as gods. Think about it, lucifer wanted to take God’s place and wanted to be worshiped as god, so he and his followers comes to earth and set themselves up among humans as a god and make offspring with human women and those offspring are worshiped as gods. That all makes more sense than just the sons of God were another group of humans. Why would God be upset that one group of humans mated with another group? And as bad as this world is now, what made things so bad back then as to cause God to create the flood? Fallen angels setting themselves up as gods on earth and mating with human women sounds like a good enough reason for a flood to destroy all of that.

And when you look at shows like Ancient Aliens, it is clear that something was going on back then. Too many unexplainable things. The Bible clearly says giants existed back then like the one David slew. When Jesus died on the cross for our sins and to save us, and released His Spirit on the earth, I think that’s what’s holding back the fallen angels from doing that again for now. That’s why people just see glimpses and sightings of UFO activity and nothing more for now. But the book of Revelations talks about some strange things happening near the end after God’s Spirit leaves the earth to go to Heaven.
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The Church has condemned the idea that angels have physical bodies and can procreate.
 
devoutchristian said:
Skye_Ariel;10656189:
I believe that that is the proper interpretation of Genesis, that the fallen angels mated with human women, especially when you read the book of Enoch that says the same exact thing as Genesis concerning fallen angels mating with human women except in the book of Enoch they call them fallen angels more plainly which leaves no doubt the the ones that mated with human women were not humans. 😉 Those offspring could be what some see when they think they see aliens. That also explains why God caused the flood too and why it grieved His heart that He had made man. I know some think the sons of God were just another group of humans but I believe they were fallen angels and they didn’t have a name for them back then except that they were something God created, sons or creations of God and that they weren’t human. I also believe a lot of the false pagan religions began from people worshiping those fallen angels and their offspring as gods. Think about it, lucifer wanted to take God’s place and wanted to be worshiped as god, so he and his followers comes to earth and set themselves up among humans as a god and make offspring with human women and those offspring are worshiped as gods. That all makes more sense than just the sons of God were another group of humans. Why would God be upset that one group of humans mated with another group? And as bad as this world is now, what made things so bad back then as to cause God to create the flood? Fallen angels setting themselves up as gods on earth and mating with human women sounds like a good enough reason for a flood to destroy all of that.

And when you look at shows like Ancient Aliens, it is clear that something was going on back then. Too many unexplainable things. The Bible clearly says giants existed back then like the one David slew. When Jesus died on the cross for our sins and to save us, and released His Spirit on the earth, I think that’s what’s holding back the fallen angels from doing that again for now. That’s why people just see glimpses and sightings of UFO activity and nothing more for now. But the book of Revelations talks about some strange things happening near the end after God’s Spirit leaves the earth to go to Heaven.
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The Church has condemned the idea that angels have physical bodies and can procreate.
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devoutchristian is correct. Angels DO NOT have physical bodies, nor do they maintain a human form for a long period of time and form relationships to raise families. Such an assertion is unfounded in scripture and condemned by the Church.
 
The_Serpent said:
Yes, there could be life on other planets. There is no problem with plant life, insects, or animal life; since it doesn’t touch upon issues of redemption. There are theological issues with intelligent sentient beings; which hopefully the Church will work on.

Now there are some passages of the Bible that some people quote as supporting Alien life; I’m thinking of people like Erich Von Daniken and “Ancient Aliens” theorists. For example, Genesis 6: 4 refers to “sons of God” mating with “daughters of men” and producing the giants. Now I do not say this is the correction interpretation. But some people point at passages like this as referring to aliens and humans interbreeding. Any thoughts on the proper interpretation of this Genesis reference?:hmmm:
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This thread set me to wondering about this and I made a possible connection in my mind. Now I may be entirely full of beans here, but just consider. 😉
  • There were multiple hominid species for long periods of time. (See pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/humans/humankind/low_bandwidth.html for more detailed info.)
  • The writers of the Biblical accounts were reliant more on passed down oral traditions.
  • Could it be possible that when the early hominids of one group, who might have been different in appearance, were still able to mate with some of the others? If they weren’t different enough genetically for there to be sterility or lethal genetic problems for the offspring?
  • And if so, and if there were stories told, maybe somehow it filtered down through the ages into the Biblical accounts?
Just an intriguing hypothesis, no way to test it. I read and write sci-fi. When I was in junior high I was fascinated by the Erich von Daniken books but now I know he was full of beans! :rolleyes: My little speculation may be just as bad, but who knows, maybe there’s a grain of possibility in it . . . 🤷
 
3DOCTORS said:
This thread set me to wondering about this and I made a possible connection in my mind. Now I may be entirely full of beans here, but just consider. 😉
  • There were multiple hominid species for long periods of time. (See pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/humans/humankind/low_bandwidth.html for more detailed info.)
  • The writers of the Biblical accounts were reliant more on passed down oral traditions.
  • Could it be possible that when the early hominids of one group, who might have been different in appearance, were still able to mate with some of the others? If they weren’t different enough genetically for there to be sterility or lethal genetic problems for the offspring?
  • And if so, and if there were stories told, maybe somehow it filtered down through the ages into the Biblical accounts?
Just an intriguing hypothesis, no way to test it. I read and write sci-fi. When I was in junior high I was fascinated by the Erich von Daniken books but now I know he was full of beans! :rolleyes: My little speculation may be just as bad, but who knows, maybe there’s a grain of possibility in it . . . 🤷
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We know from divine revelation that all humans trace their ancestry to Adam and Eve. If the hominid species were not descended from Adam and Eve then it is not possible that they could be ancestors of humans, except through Adam and Eve.
 
Charlemagne_II said:
Rete

**Furthermore, some interesting research was done in the UK which expanded upon the idea with fusion reactions. It was called Project Daedalus. That’s more like what we could do now by taking all of the inactive nuclear arms and using them for propulsion of a very large spacecraft. The Project Daedalus folks calculated a modest trip time of about fifty years to Bernard’s Star. Though not as fast as what I described before, it’s certainly at least affordable in comparison. **

But you haven’t answered the most important question. What do you do when you get Bernard’s Star and discover there is nothing habitable anywhere nearby? Go on to the next Star System, or return to Earth one hundred years after starting out? After all, you can’t just go star hopping indefinitely.
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Depends upon the context. Besides scouting the system and collecting data for further research, you mean?

Here is one example:

Use those same time dilation effects to colonize a world. You build a colony seed ship which carries with it a substantial ecosystem containing all the biomass necessary to seed planets. When the ship arrives to the target world, you setup an enclosed habitat to store and cultivate some of the biomass on that planet. You establish an automated terraforming system which can mine for resources, process those resources, and then fabricate the materials to manufacture further industrial and terraforming technologies on its own (Von Neumann machine).

You pack up the humans who setup the project and proceed to another system. You repeat this in a cycle. By the time the colony ship arrives back at the first world it seeded, it could very well have been the equivalent of hundreds of thousands of years passed of terraforming and building. When they arrive, they have a suitable world, complete with infrastructure. Meanwhile, they seeded several other worlds while waiting for their world to complete the process. So now future human migrants will no longer have to make that circuit.
 
devoutchristian said:
We know from divine revelation that all humans trace their ancestry to Adam and Eve. If the hominid species were not descended from Adam and Eve then it is not possible that they could be ancestors of humans, except through Adam and Eve.
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I was trying to respond to the passage from Genesis below - that instead of angels mating with humans, maybe it had something to do with different kinds of humans mating with each other. Granted, pure speculation, just brainstorming.
The_Serpent said:
Yes, there could be life on other planets. There is no problem with plant life, insects, or animal life; since it doesn’t touch upon issues of redemption. There are theological issues with intelligent sentient beings; which hopefully the Church will work on.

Now there are some passages of the Bible that some people quote as supporting Alien life; I’m thinking of people like Erich Von Daniken and “Ancient Aliens” theorists. For example, **Genesis 6: 4 refers to “sons of God” mating with “daughters of men” and producing the giants. ** Now I do not say this is the correction interpretation. But some people point at passages like this as referring to aliens and humans interbreeding. Any thoughts on the proper interpretation of this Genesis reference?:hmmm:
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And as I said earlier, I may be full of beans. 🤷
 
Rete

**You pack up the humans who setup the project and proceed to another system. You repeat this in a cycle. By the time the colony ship arrives back at the first world it seeded, it could very well have been the equivalent of hundreds of thousands of years passed of terraforming and building. When they arrive, they have a suitable world, complete with infrastructure. Meanwhile, they seeded several other worlds while waiting for their world to complete the process. So now future human migrants will no longer have to make that circuit. **

Well thought out theoretically. I just don’t buy it. The scenario is altogether too claustrophobic, endless, and depends upon the ability to find world that are suitable to seeding life. Good material for science fiction movies, but not the real world I think. 🤷
 
  1. You ought to consider the size of the ship. To build a ship like this, we ought to hollow out an asteroid which we mine for raw resources. Eros, for example, has more gold and precious metals than exist in the crust of the Earth. We can mine it for base metals as well, which we can later use to build habitats on the Moon, etc. Meanwhile, we do it in such a way that we create a hollowed out structure. Then we spin it to create artificial gravity inside. Next we fill it with soil, atmosphere, and then begin to seed it with the biomass we will later use.
  2. The inside of this asteroid, when grown, would be more like a forest than anything else. Traveling inside of this thing would be like traveling on a country farm within a garden world encased by rock. I don’t think it would be too claustrophobic at all.
  3. Each step in this process represents an immediate end of its own. We build the ship because we need those metals to start our space-based economy, which will finally give us unlimited resources. We put the warheads on this thing because it’s a better place than on the surface of the Earth where they are far more likely to be used against humans rather than expanding our civilization. We seed other worlds because I am rather certain that, once we have this object with its own self-sustaining biosphere, and the ability to do something like this, there will be plenty of people who will want to do it. That’s all that really matters in the end. The motive and the means will exist because the conditions necessary for them will themselves represent necessary ends for human expansion.
  4. And as far as motives… What if we could establish a Catholic planet. It’s just Catholic. Distributism. Catholicism. Catholic university and healthcare systems… Would that not be worthwhile? I am not saying retreat from the rest of humanity or anything, but it would be nice to have an entire world which itself can showcase what we are about.
 
Some relevant links methinks:
  1. A UFO war with humans?
    youtube.com/watch?v=_eJdY2SUO38
  2. Are Aliens implanting bizarre ‘chips’ in humans on a large scale? Is there actual physical evidence? It would seem so…
youtube.com/watch?v=nnsq1BgvmO4
  1. Here is a well documented UFO over the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem.
    youtube.com/watch?v=6rwgJ8GPa4k
  2. A Priest’s perspective:
    More food for thought on UFOs
    youtube.com/watch?v=RZmFXsTfIhc
  3. Don’t think they already discovered life on Mars? Methinks we be lied to via the Media for the Masses. See here, but skip to about the time 1140 of the video in the lecture.
youtube.com/watch?v=JPJRpBWuGbY

I for one do not waste time discussing if their are aliens visiting us. For me the real question is what are we going to do about it. They treat us like Lab frogs.
Not to mention their genetic breeding programs with humans. Those little ‘grey’ imps are not our friends.
  1. Here is a fun link of UfOs
    youtube.com/watch?v=gq4izhwg3Mohttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dgq4izhwg3Mo
  2. Are UFO’s messing with our Military sites?
    youtube.com/watch?v=odbheWt42bk
    yep. I could give even more related links on this subject if interested.
For most ignorance is bliss I guess. 🤷 The subject is just too threatening (Like Megan Kelly of Fox News) for the vast majority of people.
 
It seems like the best candidate for life is the oceans beneath the ice on europa, the moon of jupiter or saturn. You need water, heat and minerals at minimum as far as science is concerned. I believe life probably does need a God to come about however. Life probably exists where God put it. I don’t see how one derives cells from elements and heat. It can’t be done in a laboratory yet.
 
Nimzovik said:
Some relevant links methinks:
  1. A UFO war with humans?
    youtube.com/watch?v=_eJdY2SUO38
  2. Are Aliens implanting bizarre ‘chips’ in humans on a large scale? Is there actual physical evidence? It would seem so…
youtube.com/watch?v=nnsq1BgvmO4
  1. Here is a well documented UFO over the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem.
    youtube.com/watch?v=6rwgJ8GPa4k
  2. A Priest’s perspective:
    More food for thought on UFOs
    youtube.com/watch?v=RZmFXsTfIhc
  3. Don’t think they already discovered life on Mars? Methinks we be lied to via the Media for the Masses. See here, but skip to about the time 1140 of the video in the lecture.
youtube.com/watch?v=JPJRpBWuGbY

I for one do not waste time discussing if their are aliens visiting us. For me the real question is what are we going to do about it. They treat us like Lab frogs.
Not to mention their genetic breeding programs with humans. Those little ‘grey’ imps are not our friends.
  1. Here is a fun link of UfOs
    youtube.com/watch?v=gq4izhwg3Mohttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dgq4izhwg3Mo
  2. Are UFO’s messing with our Military sites?
    youtube.com/watch?v=odbheWt42bk
    yep. I could give even more related links on this subject if interested.
For most ignorance is bliss I guess. 🤷 The subject is just too threatening (Like Megan Kelly of Fox News) for the vast majority of people.
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Thanks for all of the links! 👍 I’m gonna check them out. 🙂
 
Extraterrestrial life does exist, here on earth and else where. I have had enough experiences along with other members of the family who have been witnesses too. Our experiences followed on from demonic infestation, it was I believe an attempt to sway us into thinking that perhaps what we experienced was indeed ‘alien’ in nature. One could say, okay demonic infestation didn’t work let’s try another angle.

At first we were in awe, we saw lights, actual physical UAP craft (no different to seeing a truck drive past you). Visitations, knowledge via information, unusual awareness of future events etc. Sounds familiar to demonic activity doesn’t it?

Many times we would say “Leave us alone or go away” They would not leave. Once realizing the connections. Our family now state “In the name of Jesus, I ask you to leave” and the UAP or visitation stops immediately. Or they are using religion to confuse us even more as to what exactly is going on.

I do believe that they are real. They hide behind the cloak of ridicule (see below “The Twilight Zone” on screen)

One has to seriously question why we have evolved in technology so quickly in the last 60 years. Now we have reverse engineering projects, concerning is the invisibility cloak …

Invisible Cloak for Soldiers Now A Reality Designed by Hyperstealth Biotechnology Corp, a Canadian camouflage design company, states the technology, called Quantum Stealth, works by bending light waves around the wearer.

The memo that 'proves aliens landed at Roswell’… released online by the FBI Memo dated on 22 March 1950

Dmitry Medvedev, Russia’s Prime Minister, 2012 stated off air and with his guard down …
“Along with this, you are given a report of the absolutely secret special service that exercises control over aliens on the territory of our country … More detailed information on this topic you can get from a well-known movie called ‘Men In Black’ … I will not tell you how many of them are among us because it may cause panic,” he says
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Whilst his comments appear to be playful responses to a reporter’s off-beat question, they do raise questions over exactly how much truth was being revealed by Medvedev. Given that Medvedev’s responses were said off-air, without him realizing that his microphone was still recording, they at face value give credence to claims that extraterrestrials are not only visiting our world, but are even living among us.

The Kaikoura UFO sighting continues to baffle, 30 years on - note in the back ground screen the wording “The Twilight Zone” as a suggestive ridiculing of well documented sighting.

1978 - Flight Service Officer Sights ‘Kaikoura Lights’ UFOs Near Woodbourne Airbase

Dr. J Allen Hynek Admits Astronomers do see UFO’s ! (1977)
Dr.Allen Hynek comes clean on his involvment in UFO coverup
 
Rete

**4. And as far as motives… What if we could establish a Catholic planet. It’s just Catholic. Distributism. Catholicism. Catholic university and healthcare systems… Would that not be worthwhile? I am not saying retreat from the rest of humanity or anything, but it would be nice to have an entire world which itself can showcase what we are about. **

I’d like to see Earth a Catholic planet. In Europe it almost was at one time. 😉
 
3DOCTORS said:
I was trying to respond to the passage from Genesis below - that instead of angels mating with humans, maybe it had something to do with different kinds of humans mating with each other. Granted, pure speculation, just brainstorming.
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Part of the problem depends on who exactly Adam and Eve were. Whether they were the first members of the Homo genus, the first members of the Homo Sapien species, the first members of the Homo Sapien Sapien subspecies, or something in between. From what I know of genetics and cognitive capabilities I think that they were the first Homo Sapien Sapiens and thus I reject the idea that hominid DNA could have mixed in with modern humans, though the Church hasn’t (and can’t) ruled on who exactly they were in this regard, so your idea is certainly possible.
 
TheHolyTrinity said:
Extraterrestrial life does exist, here on earth and else where. I have had enough experiences along with other members of the family who have been witnesses too. Our experiences followed on from demonic infestation, it was I believe an attempt to sway us into thinking that perhaps what we experienced was indeed ‘alien’ in nature. One could say, okay demonic infestation didn’t work let’s try another angle.

At first we were in awe, we saw lights, actual physical UAP craft (no different to seeing a truck drive past you). Visitations, knowledge via information, unusual awareness of future events etc. Sounds familiar to demonic activity doesn’t it?

Many times we would say “Leave us alone or go away” They would not leave. Once realizing the connections. Our family now state “In the name of Jesus, I ask you to leave” and the UAP or visitation stops immediately. Or they are using religion to confuse us even more as to what exactly is going on.

I do believe that they are real. They hide behind the cloak of ridicule (see below “The Twilight Zone” on screen)

One has to seriously question why we have evolved in technology so quickly in the last 60 years. Now we have reverse engineering projects, concerning is the invisibility cloak …

Invisible Cloak for Soldiers Now A Reality Designed by Hyperstealth Biotechnology Corp, a Canadian camouflage design company, states the technology, called Quantum Stealth, works by bending light waves around the wearer.

The memo that 'proves aliens landed at Roswell’… released online by the FBI Memo dated on 22 March 1950

Dmitry Medvedev, Russia’s Prime Minister, 2012 stated off air and with his guard down …

Whilst his comments appear to be playful responses to a reporter’s off-beat question, they do raise questions over exactly how much truth was being revealed by Medvedev. Given that Medvedev’s responses were said off-air, without him realizing that his microphone was still recording, they at face value give credence to claims that extraterrestrials are not only visiting our world, but are even living among us.

The Kaikoura UFO sighting continues to baffle, 30 years on - note in the back ground screen the wording “The Twilight Zone” as a suggestive ridiculing of well documented sighting.

1978 - Flight Service Officer Sights ‘Kaikoura Lights’ UFOs Near Woodbourne Airbase

Dr. J Allen Hynek Admits Astronomers do see UFO’s ! (1977)
Dr.Allen Hynek comes clean on his involvment in UFO coverup
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Yes… When it comes to the ‘Orbs’ ufos, at least. perhaps there may be some truth in terms of it being related to the dark spiritual world. There have been a number of reports about this. I will post more when I have time.
 
Ok. I’m back. Keyword “UFO Prophet” on You Tube and one will indeed find a rather remarkable … situation.

Perhaps the UFOs are responding to a UFO implant in this person?
 
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