Is There No End To These People?

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Sidney, Ohio—A pastor has swapped pews for bar stools in a new effort to swell the ranks of his congregation.
Beer was on tap and a mechanical bull :eek: inspired the sermon as Rev. Chris Heckaman held the inaugural COUNTRY ROCK CHURCH (oh, boy), service in a bar Sunday. :eek:
About 100 people flocked to the service at the Pub Lounge.
Heckaman said people enjoyed themselves and he is hoping the COUNTRY ROCK CHURCH will meet weekly.
The church’s website for it’s NEW BRANCH (must be 31,000 denominations now), advertises "Top regional bands, pizza, wings, ROWDY FUN and a short message.
Heckaman’s sermon compared staying on the bar’s MECHANICAL BULL to learning how to get along in life. :confused:

Lord Have Mercy…:bigyikes:
 
I’m lost for words.

Beer and wings at church? Rowdy fun and a ‘‘short message’’?
 
Can you believe this? It came from the Boston Herald newspaper yesterday. These people will try anything for attention. Jesus must be so offended. 😦
 
Sidney, Ohio—A pastor has swapped pews for bar stools in a new effort to swell the ranks of his congregation.
Beer was on tap and a mechanical bull :eek: inspired the sermon as Rev. Chris Heckaman held the inaugural COUNTRY ROCK CHURCH (oh, boy), service in a bar Sunday. :eek:
About 100 people flocked to the service at the Pub Lounge.
Heckaman said people enjoyed themselves and he is hoping the COUNTRY ROCK CHURCH will meet weekly.
The church’s website for it’s NEW BRANCH (must be 31,000 denominations now), advertises "Top regional bands, pizza, wings, ROWDY FUN and a short message.
Heckaman’s sermon compared staying on the bar’s MECHANICAL BULL to learning how to get along in life. :confused:

Lord Have Mercy…:bigyikes:
Satan just doesn’t give up.:mad:
 
Just thought I would reopen this discussion. Many of you seemed condescending on another church starting this type of ministry. What are your thoughts of a Catholic church doing the same thing?

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The analogy is erroneous. Theology on Tap is not a celebration of the Mass in a bar setting; it’s a discussion group. Catholics in general have no problem with the moderate and sensible consumption of alcohol in appropriate circumstances.
 
Just thought I would reopen this discussion. Many of you seemed condescending on another church starting this type of ministry. What are your thoughts of a Catholic church doing the same thing?

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I’ve been to TOT the last couple of summers through both my diocese and the neighboring one. Some sessions were held at restaurants, others were held at church facilities. Lot’s of interesting talks followed by discussion. But no “rowdy fun”.
 
Theology on Tap has been done in ALabama in the past, and it has been wonderful. We may restart it in the spring. It is not the same.

Going to where sinners are and proclaiming Christ is one thing.

Going to where people pass time together and discuss CHrist is good.

Making a CHurch like a bar blurs the line between the profain and the devine, and should be avoided. Are you making sinners into saints or the inverse?
 
I bet my kids would never miss a Sunday anymore. All kidding aside nothing would surprise me. You do have to wonder what God thinks of this. All I can say is I would not want to face him knowing i made a mockery of his Church. I really think today people really believe they can do anything they want, and God is just going to say okay your forgiven. No problem! But you know what if we say its wrong guess what. Who are we to judge? Thats what they will say, and we will be in the wrong. Really gets you thinking about what the bible says In the end wrong will be right and right will be wrong.
 
Ok, I understand your point but do not agree with it. It is still a church activity in which worship is applied. Is not our entire life suppose to be worship? Anyways…

Check out this article from the St Lawrence and Immaculate Conception churches in the area where CRC takes place.

5/8/2008 12:40:00 PM
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Finding God in unlikely and needed place
Your Pastor Speaks

The Rev. Pat Sloneker

A priest walked into a bar. This is not a joke. I walked into the Pub Lounge in Sidney this past Sunday evening to experience Country Rock Church (CRC).

Since it hit the headlines a few weeks ago, I have thought many ecclesiological (ecclesiology is the study of the church) thoughts and felt some strong feelings.

‘Church in bar?’

Even though I studied diligently in seminary, I don’t remember my ecclesiology classes taking up the question, “Can church be in a bar?” In fact, before last night, I was pretty sure I had an answer. The article I had written was titled, “Catholic Barflies Beware.”

In the article I warned Catholic bar patrons - which in Shelby County, I imagine there might be more of than any other Christian denomination - that just because CRC was giving it a go, did not give them good reason to count their bar, pub or tavern time on Saturday or Sunday as church. In fact, I said even if, in the unlikely event, our German Pope Benedict put on his lederhosen, took down his Sistine Chapel stein and sang a hearty oompah-band rendition of “In heaven there is no beer … that’s why we drink it here…,” neither Benedict, himself, nor the Catholic Church, would ever allow a church to be in a bar. There are many good reasons for this impossibility.

‘The Lord’s house’

A church building represents the Lord and the entire Body of Christ and is dedicated solely to the Lord. In fact, the English word “church” is derived from a late Greek word kyriakon/kuriakon, “the Lord’s house.”

For Catholics, a church is consecrated by a bishop who is a direct descendant in an unbroken line from the apostles, through Peter and his successors, the popes. It is a most holy and sacred place. Therefore, the church building and our presence there express our intention and foster our hope to be devoted and dedicated totally to Christ.

Sacred place

The liturgy that is celebrated in such a sacred place points to Christ in every way, clearly, distinctly, without contradiction or distraction. The people of God gather with the intentions of adoration and praise through posture, word and sacred music. We are contrite, admitting our sin and our need for repentance. The Word of God is honored, proclaimed and reflected upon. We make petition.

We offer gifts of bread, wine, time, talent and treasure, indeed our very selves to the Lord. The command of Christ to take, eat and drink, this is my body and blood is fulfilled. God’s people make an altar call to receive his mystical, one and only sacrifice of 2,000 years ago, made present on the altar by his promise to be with us always by the power of the Holy Spirit. We are sent forth in joy, holier ourselves in receiving him, to make the world a holier place, a place where the kingdom comes. Very few of the above would be fittingly possible in a bar.

End result

However, even though CRC would not, strictly speaking, be considered a church from a Catholic perspective, it accomplishes wonderfully the end result, the goal of church. From my experience this past Sunday, CRC does offer a perfect and powerful example of what Catholic theology says is the goal and purpose of a church: making the world holier, bringing about the Kingdom of God.

Centering upon one of Jesus’ own images, the church proclaims that its members ought to be leaven, salt, light and seed in the world. The values we celebrate in worship are to be sown in everyday places: home, work, marketplace, ball field … and even bars. Such is accomplished on Sunday nights at the Pub Lounge by holy people ministering in Christ’s name. Darkness is scattered by the light of Christ. The joy and hope of Christ are proclaimed in a place it is so sorely needed.

Additionally, CRC shines by being a conduit of Christ’s grace so as to move people more directly into the awareness that they are forgiven and loved by Christ. They are reminded that they are worthy through Christ to take their rightful seat amidst the Body of Christ on the Lord’s day, in a full-fledged church.

Therefore, for a bit different reason I still proclaim Catholic barflies beware! Is the bar you enter becoming holier by your presence and Christ’s presence in you? Will your presence increase or decrease lack of moderation, gossip, dishonesty, cynicism or any darkness that might be in a bar? Or, will there be a greater presence of Christ’s light, hope and peace by your presence, as I experienced in the Pub Lounge at Country Rock Church this past Sunday.

Praise the Lord for his presence in a most unlikely and needed place, through the leadership and members of the Sidney First United Methodist Church!

The writer is the pastor at St. Lawrence and Immaculate Conception churches.
 
DDP even though i did get a kick out of your post especially the Pope, All fun aside a church is a place to repent, pray and be alone with God. Not social hour with beer, nuts and jokes. Even though it may be tempting at times, thats just not the way it is. So for now i will have to settle for the Body Of Christ, and the Blood of Christ, and that is fine with me. IMO a bar is fine to unwind, share a joke, have a drink or 2 be sensible and go home. I enjoy going with my husband on the bike and going out on the weekends. But thats it fun, but come sunday morning its serious, peaceful, and quiet spending one on one time with Christ. In his house on his terms. I dont ever think the time will come where the Pope will be kicking up his hills singing and having a good time. Oh im not saying he cant but not when he is serving Christ in his Church. IT will never happen.
 
Ok, I understand your point but do not agree with it. It is still a church activity in which worship is applied. Is not our entire life suppose to be worship? Anyways…
I am not sure which point you are arguing, given this and the C&P’d article you provided. Are you for having church services in a bar or against it?
 
I am for the service. Not sure if I could call it a church but I will not judge on the name of something because we are told by Paul the we are the church, not a building. I will reserve all judgement to my Father in heaven. If there is something that I do not see as “right” in my eyes I will not judge that person or group but pray for them. We are told to pray for our enemies and love them.

There are plenty of practices that Catholics, Lutherans, Methodist, Baptist, Episcopals, etc… that do not agree on. They each seem have something in their realm of teachings that I do not agree with or I have been taught is wrong. So what should I do? I found a home church with which I am comfortable that God truly has opened my heart for Him with.

As for the article rinnie, I did not write it. It was written by the priest of St Lawrence and Immaculate Conception here in Sidney, OH where the CRC takes place. He was at the service and participated in it.

I am still waiting for any comments from anyone about a leader of the Catholic church actually praising this ministry. Yes, he did say that it should not be your “home” church and I agree with that but if this place gets just one person to believe will not the angels in heaven still be singing His praises?

I appreciate all of your insight. I want you all to know that I am by no means a theologian or Biblical scholar. I am a 34 year old father of two that loves our Father more now than I ever have. I am still learning of His love and His calling for me and my family. I ran by this message board getting info on CRC and found this discussion interesting by the replies even after reading the reply from Rev. Sloneker.
 
Just thought I would reopen this discussion. Many of you seemed condescending on another church starting this type of ministry. What are your thoughts of a Catholic church doing the same thing?

whiotv.com/news/16848957/detail.html?rss=day&taf=day
We have Theology on tap here in Ft Worth. However, this is entirely a theological discussion at a bar. I understand it gets quite lively, but it’s not some entertainment then a short “sermon”. It’s all discussion and debate.

Have theology got beer:D
 
There is a world of difference between TOT and Mass. It is not a bad thing, TOT, what is ridiclous is to think that it is a Mass, let no one get the two confused. I think any good, faithful Catholic would know the difference.
 
So talking about Jesus over a beer and having someone do a 5-7 minute sermonette is different? This is where I get confused. How does this differ? Here is how we have fun… get on a bull (sometimes), karaoke, little games that you can win prizes. I have seen all of this in a church before. So the beer flows differently when just talking about theology than listening to it?

Forgive me for maybe being naive but this is a double standard to me. This is what KEEPS people from going to a “church”.
 
So talking about Jesus over a beer and having someone do a 5-7 minute sermonette is different? This is where I get confused. How does this differ? Here is how we have fun… get on a bull (sometimes), karaoke, little games that you can win prizes. I have seen all of this in a church before. So the beer flows differently when just talking about theology than listening to it?

Forgive me for maybe being naive but this is a double standard to me. This is what KEEPS people from going to a “church”.
You’re not Catholic are you? Because this is what the first poster said that the Church they were talking about consisted of:
"Top regional bands, pizza, wings, ROWDY FUN and a short message.
Heckaman’s sermon compared staying on the bar’s MECHANICAL BULL to learning how to get along in life.

Now, if you were Catholic you would see a big difference in that and a Mass. The Mass doesn’t just consist of a “sermonette” as you put it.
 
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