Is there ogling in heaven?

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Ogling = Sin

There is no sin in heaven

Therefore, there is no ogling.

Rev 21:27 and there shall in no wise enter into it anything unclean, or he that maketh an abomination and a lie: but only they that are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
 
saieditor said:
No.
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foundthelight said:
Ogling = Sin
There is no sin in heaven
Therefore, there is no ogling.
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I think we can all agree that there is no sin in heaven. So the question, really, is ogling a sin. Ogling is ambiguosly defined which is why I posed the second question: When does appreciation of physical beauty cross the line to sinful lust?

So let’s consider:
  1. Is appreciation of beauty a sin?
  2. Is appreciation of physical beauty a sin?
  3. Assuming a “no” on the above two, is there something in ogling that goes beyond appreciation of physical beauty to make it sinful?
saieditor said:
You’ll find out one day, won’t you? 😃
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I hope and pray!
 
PaulinVA said:
I have to say, that if I’m in the presence of the one true living God, I don’t really care what you look like.
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This is the line that LilyM (and a few others) took. I am very skeptical of this view.

I pointed to Matthew 18:8 which described heaven as like a banquet. To my mind, a banquet has two essential characteristics: good food and joyful company.

It would not be much of a banquet if each person were 100% oriented on the host. To be sure, the host is the center of the banquet but not the sole point of attention.
 
wcknight said:
My guess is that we will be much more likely to control our appetites in Heaven. We will probably not have the same uncontrollable desires and whims that we have now.

The problem we have on earth is with control. Our instincts to be attracted to the opposite sex are tied to our natural deaires to reproduce and sustain the species.

IF unchecked, our imaginations run wild and we ‘oogle every skirt’ that passes by. My guess is that our control will be much better and we will be ‘tempted’ far less or not at all in Heaven. I would think that sin is non-existant in Heaven, so I would also think that tempation is also either non-existant or our control so strong that it would be impossible to sin.
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I have thought about this as well. But I came to a slightly different conclusion. There might be no sin in heaven either because there is no temptation or because there is no surrender to temptation. I tend to favor the later view.

To get into heaven one must overcome temptation. (I, myself, expect to spend a good deal of time in pergatory.) Now the question still remains whether ogling is sinful but I would be inclined to the view that getting to heaven entails controlling our appetite for sin.
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
I have thought about this as well. But I came to a slightly different conclusion. There might be no sin in heaven either because there is no temptation or because there is no surrender to temptation. I tend to favor the later view.

To get into heaven one must overcome temptation. (I, myself, expect to spend a good deal of time in pergatory.) Now the question still remains whether ogling is sinful but I would be inclined to the view that getting to heaven entails controlling our appetite for sin.
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Frankly I think the question “is there ogling in heaven” is just stupid.
There is no sin in Heaven. There is no temptation to sin in Heaven. There is no marriage in Heaven. We will not be God but we will be united with God.

By the way what is a Zen Catholic. Its in your profile. Zen is Buddhism. You CANNOT be Catholic and Buddhist.
 
thistle said:
There is no sin in Heaven. There is no temptation to sin in Heaven. There is no marriage in Heaven. We will not be God but we will be united with God.
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See post# 24 (among others). I think everyone agrees that there is no sin in heaven. But why would you believe that there is no temptation in heaven? See: newadvent.org/cathen/14504a.htm
thistle said:
By the way what is a Zen Catholic. Its in your profile. Zen is Buddhism. You CANNOT be Catholic and Buddhist.
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No. A Zen Catholic is a Catholic who questions dogma. (Zen Buddhism was an anti-dogmatic form of Buddhism.)
 
Yea, like any of us here really know anything about heaven…If Saint Paul didn’t know, how could we venture a guess???

Is there ogling in heaven? We’ll definitely know when we get there! 😉
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
See post# 24 (among others). I think everyone agrees that there is no sin in heaven. But why would you believe that there is no temptation in heaven? See: newadvent.org/cathen/14504a.htm

No. A Zen Catholic is a Catholic who questions dogma. (Zen Buddhism was an anti-dogmatic form of Buddhism.)
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Dogma is something you MUST not only accept but also believe to be true.

Zen is Buddhism.
 
thistle said:
Dogma is something you MUST not only accept but also believe to be true. Zen is Buddhism.
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Call it Heterodox Catholicism, then, the rejection of the proposition that you “must” accept dogma unquestioningly. The belief that Christianity is well served by individuals pursuing truth along a variety of paths.

At a minimum, it is worth observing that dogma did not become dogma through the unquestioning acceptance of dogma but, rather, through heated debate by many individuals in pursuit of the truth.
 
teachccd said:
Yea, like any of us here really know anything about heaven…If Saint Paul didn’t know, how could we venture a guess??? Is there ogling in heaven? We’ll definitely know when we get there! 😉
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Fair enough. But it does open up interesting issues not least of which is the question: when does appreciation of beauty become sinful.
 
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** o·gled **, ** o·gling **, ** o·gles **
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  1. *] To stare at.
    *] To stare at impertinently, flirtatiously, or amorously.
    VERB:
    intr.
    To stare in an impertinent, flirtatious, or amorous manner. NOUN:
    An impertinent, flirtatious, or amorous stare. ** ETYMOLOGY: **
    Perhaps from Low German oghelen, oegeln, frequentative of oegen, to eye, from oghe, oge, eye; see okw- in Indo-European roots

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Bubba_Switzler said:
But you are not just with God, you are with the entire community of humanity in resurrected bodily form.

Is heavenly existence all centered on God alone? I doubt that.
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God’s throne is in the center of the New Jerusalem. Read about it in the book of Revelation chapters 20,21. Of course, He is the center of everything. There’s no need for the sun because He provides the light. There’s no need for anything. He provides it all.

Whether we want to admit it or not, our lives are not about us. Our lives are not our own. They belong to Him. Our bodies, minds and souls belong to Him. In our materialistic and corrupt world we believe that it’s all about us - what we can get, what we can do, testing the limits. We need to change our viewpoint.

Your question is about like asking the angels on pins question. We’ll know when we get there and He will explain how the system works there.

Peace…

MW
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
So what leads you to believe that heaven consists of a total focus on God as opposed to a communion of saints with relations among them?
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What would lead you to believe that heaven is about you and not focused on God? Seems pretty clear that in Scripture and tradition that God is the center, not to mention the logic that the Creator/Father is a more important person to an earthly child than his brothers and sisters (in the ideal situation).

Peace…

MW
 
thistle said:
Lust is about sex. Only an idiot would think we would want sex with God!
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As foundthelight has shown with some dictionary defintions, “ogle” is a very ambiguous term.

But is it your claim that sex is what makes lust sinful?

Interestingly, there are some theological philosophers who argue sex is an eartlhly manifestation of the relationship we will have with God in heaven. And that the reason that it is sinful to violate the marriage vows is that it is equivalent to being unfaithful to God.
 
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