Is there salvation outside the Catholic church?

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Pope Leo XIII, Sapientiae Christianae #14, Jan. 10, 1890: “St. Thomas maintains:
‘Each one is under obligation to show forth his faith, either to instruct and
encourage others of the faithful, or to repel the attacks of unbelievers.’ To recoil
before an enemy, or to keep silence when from all sides such clamors are raised
against truth, is the part of a man either devoid of character or who entertains
doubt as to the truth of what he professes to believe.”

Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302, ex cathedra:
“With Faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic
Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this
Church outside of which there is no salvation nor remission of sin…
Furthermore, we declare, say, define, and proclaim to every human creature
that they by absolute necessity for salvation are entirely subject to the Roman
Pontiff.

So what do you think?
 
Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302, ex cathedra:
“With Faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic
Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this
Church outside of which there is no salvation nor remission of sin…
Furthermore, we declare, say, define, and proclaim to every human creature
that they by absolute necessity for salvation are entirely subject to the Roman
Pontiff.

So what do you think?
What is the context of this statement? To whom was it addressed and for what reason?a

I would estimate that 90% of people that bring this statement up to you, have no clue about the background (and I bet my estimate is low).

BTW, Welcome to the Forums!!!
 
Pope Leo XIII, Sapientiae Christianae #14, Jan. 10, 1890: “St. Thomas maintains:
‘Each one is under obligation to show forth his faith, either to instruct and
encourage others of the faithful, or to repel the attacks of unbelievers.’ To recoil
before an enemy, or to keep silence when from all sides such clamors are raised
against truth, is the part of a man either devoid of character or who entertains
doubt as to the truth of what he professes to believe.”

Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302, ex cathedra:
“With Faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic
Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this
Church outside of which there is no salvation nor remission of sin…
Furthermore, we declare, say, define, and proclaim to every human creature
that they by absolute necessity for salvation are entirely subject to the Roman
Pontiff.

So what do you think?
The Necessity of Being Catholic
by James Akin
chnetwork.org/journals/nesschurch/ness_7.htm

One of the most controversial papal documents ever released was the bull Unam Sanctam, issued in 1302 by Pope Boniface VIII. Today the most controversial part of the bull is the following infallible pronouncement: “Now, therefore, we declare, say, define, and pronounce that for every human creature it is altogether necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman pontiff.”

This doctrine is extraordinarily controversial. Some Catholic extremists claim (contrary to further Church teaching, including a further infallible definition) that this means everyone who is not a full-fledged, professing Catholic is damned. Non-Catholics find the claim offensive, sectarian, and anti-Christian in sentiment.

Most Catholics who are aware of the definition find it embarrassing, especially in today’s ecumenical age, and many try to ignore or dismiss it, though even liberal Catholic theologians admit it is a genuine doctrinal definition and must in some sense be true.

Its truth was reinforced by Vatican II, which stated: “This holy Council . . . **asing itself on Scripture and Tradition . . . teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation. . . . [Christ] himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16, John 3:5), and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it” (Lumen Gentium 14).

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I encourage everyone, Catholic and non-Catholic, to read Mr. Akin’s article fully and carefully.**
 
Hi…based on what I have read and pasted below from the CCC…the statement is true…with significant doctrinal qualifications. The bottom line to me is that a person can’t fool Almighty God either about his/her personal life circumstances or the truth of his/her heart, mind, soul and body…conscience.

Also, there is another statement [para 1793] in the CCC re: formation of our conscience and the our culpability for our sins when our conscience is ill formed re: Church’s teachings. It says in effect that there is such a thing as “invincible ignorance”…true…but my own personal experience is that all my lack of belief/disobedience in the Church’s teachings on faith and morals was based primarily on my “invincible pride”…I just wanted to play God…Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the Living God, have mercy on me…a sinner.

Pax Christi
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“Outside the Church there is no salvation” * (quote from CCC leading to para 846)***
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846 **How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337
[CCC cross ref see paras: 161 & 1257]1257 The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation.60 He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them.61 Baptism is necessary for salvation for those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament.62 The Church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are “reborn of water and the Spirit.” God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments.
848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338
[CCC cross ref see para: 1260]

1260 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery."63 Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.
 
Ultimately, anyone who is saved, is saved through Jesus Christ and His Church.
 
Ultimately, anyone who is saved, is saved through Jesus Christ and His Church.
You mean, in marriage, the two become one.

Hence, to (knowingly) deny the Church, the Bride of Christ, is to deny Christ?
 
to (knowingly) deny the Church, the Bride of Christ, is to deny Christ?
Exactly!
But don’t forget that we can’t judge anothers heart. The Church holds out the possibility that, through God’s infinite mercy it may be possible that those who sincerely do not know that it is His Church might possibly be saved. We just don’t know. So someone who is in a Protestant denomination if they are somehow saved, it is through Christ and His Church.
 
Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

No.

Does that mean that ‘only’ Catholics are saved?

No.

Does that mean that any person, Catholic or nonCatholic, is somehow saved through the Catholic Church (as the Bride of Christ and thus ‘united’ spousally to Christ so that the two are one)?

Yes.
 
Hence, to (knowingly) deny the Church, the Bride of Christ, is to deny Christ?
Exactly! See Tantum Ergo’s explanation below
Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?

No.

Does that mean that ‘only’ Catholics are saved?

No.

Does that mean that any person, Catholic or nonCatholic, is somehow saved through the Catholic Church (as the Bride of Christ and thus ‘united’ spousally to Christ so that the two are one)?

Yes.
Precisely!! Kudos for the clear and cogent explanation.
 
I was going to say that too. 👍

Methinks the “Only Catholics are saved” misunderstanding is all too common and unfortunate.
 
If you find yourself in heaven you will be a member of the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic church Jesus founded for that very reason.
 
I agree with what has been succinctly stated above.

However, how does one reconcile this with the declaration of Eugene IV (which is in one of our member’s sig lines):

No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.”- Pope Eugene IV" (emphasis mine)

This seems to say that even a martyr for the faith cannot be saved unless he is a “member”. In addition, how does this jibe with unbaptized martyrs who are venerated as saints now in the Church?
 
However, how does one reconcile this with the declaration of Eugene IV (which is in one of our member’s sig lines):

No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.”- Pope Eugene IV" (emphasis mine)

This seems to say that even a martyr for the faith cannot be saved unless he is a “member”. In addition, how does this jibe with unbaptized martyrs who are venerated as saints now in the Church?
First, you must ask yourself what is the context of the declaration. That will go a long way towards reconciling what it means.

Scriptures aren’t the only passages that become clearer when read in context, my brethren!
 
First, you must ask yourself what is the context of the declaration. That will go a long way towards reconciling what it means.

Scriptures aren’t the only passages that become clearer when read in context, my brethren!
Which is why I am asking. Can anyone give me the context? Thanks.

BTW, I categorically reject the Feeneyite position.
 
Which is why I am asking. Can anyone give me the context? Thanks.

BTW, I categorically reject the Feeneyite position.
I’ll find the link from Dwight Longenecker’s site. He wrote a very good article on it.
 
That’s good, because he Feeny was excommunicated from The Catholic Church for holding that particular heresy.
Not true. Fr. Feeney was not excommunicated not for heresy, but for disobedience (although the excommunication did not give any specification of the charge).
The Council of Florence, wherein the Greeks were restored to unity (sadly for only a short time) declared, and Eugene IV (Pope at the time) declared in the bull Cantate Domino:The most Holy Roman Catholic Church firmly believes, professes, and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews, and heretics, and schismatics can ever be partakers of eteral life, but they are to go into the eternal fire “which was prepared for the devil and his angels” (Mt:25,41) unless before death they are joined with Her, and so important is the unity of this eclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit from the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and that they alone can receive an eternal recompense fo their fasts, almsdeeds, and other works of Christian piety and duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved unless they abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.
We must further remember what the first Vatican Council declared: that any defined truth means by its terms only what was meant by those who formulated it, in other words, the Catholic Church in this context means exactly what Pope Eugene IV understood by it and nothing else.
This position is often called “triumphalism.” It hs frequently been impugned, but it has never been condemned.
What is relevant is that God may IN WAYS ABSOLUTELY UNKNOWN TO US bring certain souls into the Church before their souls leave their bodies, and this miracle of grace may happen far more frequently (or rarely) than we suppose.
 
That’s good, because he Feeny was excommunicated from The Catholic Church for holding that particular heresy.
Ignatiusm, you have been misinformed concerning the whole matter.
Danno2281 is correct. It was a questionable excommunication at best but for disobedience for not going to Rome. Feeney wanted to know what were the charges ( his right under canon law) He was never charged with anything only ordered to go to Rome which he was not obligated to follow without knowing the charges. He was charged with a de facto excommunication for disobedience ( also questionable under canon law).

Even if it was valid the point is mute since, he was officially released of excommunication by reciting an officially accepted Creed of the church which he did; the Athanisian Creed which begins:
“Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in eternity…

then ends with:
Code:
 **.....This is the Catholic faith; unless each one believes this faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.”**
He died and was buried as a Catholic in good standing.

Is St. Athanasius Creed heretical?
 
That’s good, because he Feeny was excommunicated from The Catholic Church for holding that particular heresy.
Two APPROVED religious orders in the Diocese of Worcester, MA hold his position openly:

http://sistersofstbenedictcenter.org/index.html


saintbenedict.com/

Here they are on the directory for the diocese (under the initials OSB and MCIM)


http://198.87.234.92/vicar/ReligiousCommunities/tabid/478/Default.aspx


They were approved when Ratzinger was head of the CDF, go figure.
 
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