Is there salvation outside the Catholic church?

[bruce0224]

My dear friend in Christ,

If you believe these numbers “are real” as stated, I have a Bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you. It’s only been used a couple of times (your right, I’m a Christian, it’s been used a little ) and besides I can get ya a GREAT price on it?

God bless you my friend in Christ!

My dear friend in Christ,

If we do carefully look at what Gabriel said to Danial concerning the coming Messiah, the fulfillment of the Jewish mission, the beginning of the Church age what shall we say? Its a bunch of rubbish like selling a stone for bread. Instead in another more complete description I detail how scripture supports scripture.

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[bruce0224]

if your theory on Daniel was correct, I would think the pivotal point would be the conversion of Cornelius, the first Gentile to have the Holy Spirit, not the stoning of St. Stephen. I’m not sure if the years work out… St. Stephen, by tradition, died in 35AD…

IMO the vision of Steven is a heavenly sign out weighing Cornelius being born again.
Also Jesus himself is seen here also having mersy on a Gentile womans daughter, before the vision. God is compassionate.

Mat 15:22-28
And, behold, a woman of Canaan “gentile” came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”
26 But He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.”
27 And she said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.”
28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

The same standard is true in Danial’s Message from Gabriel. As the vision Steven received. These are signs and Angels from heaven, not to be taken lightly. The same is also true about The Lords vision to Ananias about Paul. for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel. Not something that should be taken lightly with debate between men. The testimony of this vision is found in every NT in the world, Paul’s letters.

 

[ron77nyc]

I’m not exactly what you mean by this question.

Nothing in the Catholic tradition is opposed to scripture. Generally it augments and explains scripture.

The real question is whether there is salvation outside the Catholic Church.

This can be made even more specific: Could you be saved without the Catholic Church. I think the answer to this is no.
Our view of this is that you need to be in sacramental grace which comes through Baptism. You need to know the will of God to stay in Grace (which comes from the deposit of faith in the Church). And if you happen to fall out of grace, you need the sacrament of reconciliation to be cleansed of your sin and come back to God.

Now Could you be saved without actually being a member of the Catholic Church. I think the answer to this is yes. You can certainly have a valid baptism in many of the Protestant denominatiions so sanctifying grace is available. Could someone stay sufficiently in Grace to be saved, doing good works, seeking God and avoiding mortal sin? Potentially. And if they did fall from grace but were very contrite in seeking reconciliation with God and were truly repentent in their heart and did sufficient penance, who is to say God would not accept this, even without it being fully sacramental. In all these possibilities, the non-Catholic is actually following the teachings of the Catholic Church, perhaps without knowing it. I believe that under these circumstances, a person could be saved without being a member of the Church, yet they are actually following the teachings of the Church.

After all that I think we agree.