Is there still racism in America?

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RGCheek said:
The same concept applies to freedom of speech. If we have a fanatical ideological movement that is organized well enough to end people careers and destroy their businesses by threatening hordes of boycotts directed simultaneously at basically innocent people like Paula Deen, then we do not truly have freedom of speech.
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It sounds like your expectation is for a world in which there are no consequences for what is said. If that was your expectation then you’ve started off with a significant misunderstand of what is meant by the phrase “freedom of speech” with respect the the USA constitution and law. Even Jesus is said to have informed people that there words matter (See Matthew 4:4). The only way that can be achieved is if you separated yourself from society. “Freedom of speech” doesn’t mean that there are no consequences for speech. It is a protection from being prosecuted for protected forms of speech. Not all forms of speech are protected. A classic example of speech that is not protected is yelling “fire” in a crowded speech when there is no fire.

Many (but not all) forms of boycotts are considered symbolic forms of speech and are also protected. (For examples of boycotts that are not protected see Section 1 of the Sherman Antitrust Act.)

If your previous understanding was that “freedom of speech” means “no consequence for what one says” then I would suggest consulting a constitutional law resource and compare it’s explanations of the first Amendment to your understanding of it. If you find differences then it may be worth reviewing issues like this under your new understanding.
RGCheek said:
this is my last comment on this thread as I don’t want some one to complain and so get me banned from this site somehow. It is a predictable sort of thing.
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RGCheek said:
The whole concept of racism has been degenerated into nothing more than just another way of attacking middle class whites to keep us out of the better jobs and to lower pay scales.
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Take a look at the demographic statistics. They must be doing a terrible job!
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Sapien:
Within these forums I’ve encountered more that one that has promoted the separation of people by racial classification.
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So I’m not imagining it. Good. I’ve encountered more than one of these people as well.
 
Ever noticed that there’s no news when black cops shoot white teenagers without provocation? Yeah same.
 
RGCheek said:
The same concept applies to freedom of speech. If we have a fanatical ideological movement that is organized well enough to end people careers and destroy their businesses by threatening hordes of boycotts directed simultaneously at basically innocent people like Paula Deen, then we do not truly have freedom of speech.
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Organizing against offensive speech does not limit freedom of speech. The freedom of speech comes with the responsibility to use that freedom wisely. If we use our freedom to offend others, then they can use their freedom of association to oppose us financially or socially. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.

If some CEO comes out with some anti-Catholic rhetoric or policy, we are well within our rights to take economic action individually or as a group.
 
pnewton said:
Organizing against offensive speech does not limit freedom of speech. The freedom of speech comes with the responsibility to use that freedom wisely. If we use our freedom to offend others, then they can use their freedom of association to oppose us financially or socially. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.

If some CEO comes out with some anti-Catholic rhetoric or policy, we are well within our rights to take economic action individually or as a group.
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randomusername said:
Ever noticed that there’s no news when black cops shoot white teenagers without provocation? Yeah same.
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Besides a racist conspiracy by the pro-black power structure against the white minority, can you posit another guess as to why that would be? Because if you can’t, I’ll give you one.
 
RGCheek said:
‘Niggardly’ is hurtful?
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“Niggardly” is indeed hurtful to blacks because it is a term derived from the supposed inferiority of blacks to do anything right. I grew up in South Carolina and know all about racism. I look like a poster child for the Third Reich, minus the blond hair, so I had many racist confide in me throughout their life. They never knew I was raised Catholic and my best friend was a Hispanic mulatto and I love black people and in fact all of God’s beautiful creation. All of us are a work of art.
 
BrassAnkles said:
“Niggardly” is indeed hurtful to blacks because it is a term derived from the supposed inferiority of blacks to do anything right. I grew up in South Carolina and know all about racism. I look like a poster child for the Third Reich, minus the blond hair, so I had many racist confide in me throughout their life. They never knew I was raised Catholic and my best friend was a Hispanic mulatto and I love black people and in fact all of God’s beautiful creation. All of us are a work of art.
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It isn’t actually connected to that, they are unrelated. That said the word should be avoided because it is liable to cause offense and can easily be replaced with other words.
 
Joie_de_Vivre said:
It isn’t actually connected to that, they are unrelated. That said the word should be avoided because it is liable to cause offense and can easily be replaced with other words.
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I know what the term niggardly is as I grew up hearing it and it means exactly what I stated it says.
 
BrassAnkles said:
I know what the term niggardly is as I grew up hearing it and it means exactly what I stated it says.
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It means “stingy,” and has no connection to black people whatsoever. That said, I agree with the previous poster that it can easily be dropped in favor of other words less likely to be misunderstood. Insisting on its use or using it more (I mean, it’s not that common a word) because of the controversy is just being a jerk.

Usagi
 
Usagi said:
It means “stingy,” and has no connection to black people whatsoever. That said, I agree with the previous poster that it can easily be dropped in favor of other words less likely to be misunderstood. Insisting on its use or using it more (I mean, it’s not that common a word) because of the controversy is just being a jerk.

Usagi
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I guess we must dumb down the language to accommodate peoples ignorance.
 
Usagi said:
It means “stingy,” and has no connection to black people whatsoever. That said, I agree with the previous poster that it can easily be dropped in favor of other words less likely to be misunderstood. Insisting on its use or using it more (I mean, it’s not that common a word) because of the controversy is just being a jerk.

Usagi
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I understand the term niggardly can mean “cheap”, but in the Deep South it also means “poor quality workmanship that blacks would do”. I was taught this by my father no less. Here is a reference from a book published in 1853 that demonstrates this

“incomplete or niggardly work”

books.google.com.do/books?id=64FQAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA196&lpg=PA196&dq=%22niggardly+work%22&source=bl&ots=j8jBIQSD5Y&sig=k46O6LFrmsrcI3sUI4tNmY_OnqY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=J6SQVNSOAcHggwSl0YKgAg&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22niggardly%20work%22&f=false
 
BrassAnkles said:
I understand the term niggardly can mean “cheap”, but in the Deep South it also means “poor quality workmanship that blacks would do”. I was taught this by my father no less. Here is a reference from a book published in 1853 that demonstrates this

“incomplete or niggardly work”

books.google.com.do/books?id=64FQAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA196&lpg=PA196&dq=%22niggardly+work%22&source=bl&ots=j8jBIQSD5Y&sig=k46O6LFrmsrcI3sUI4tNmY_OnqY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=J6SQVNSOAcHggwSl0YKgAg&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=%22niggardly%20work%22&f=false
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Hmm, in that context it could still mean “cheap,” as in they didn’t care enough to spend more money on the work.

Still, if the word is actually being used as a racial slur, even more reason to quietly avoid it.

Usagi
 
Usagi said:
Hmm, in that context it could still mean “cheap,” as in they didn’t care enough to spend more money on the work.

Still, if the word is actually being used as a racial slur, even more reason to quietly avoid it.

Usagi
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There are other examples of this usage as well that you can verify. It is possible that people were using this term instead another similar term “niggerly” because they sound so similar. Still, if a word could be confused with something derogatory, no matter it’s origin, in order to not scandalize people we should not use it, so I agree with you. Peace. 👍
 
estesbob said:
I guess we must dumb down the language to accommodate peoples ignorance.
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There are lots of other words that one could use that would actually require most people to think harder. Could you not use one of the other words or perhaps even think of some more.

Here are some

Cheap
Mean
Miserly
Parsimonious (I always have to think about how to say this one)
Close-fisted
Penny-pinching
Cheeseparing (never heard this one before. Kind of like it)
Grasping
Ungenerous
Illiberal
Stingy
Tight
Tightfisted
Meager (rather Dickens-like, isn’t it)
Inadequate
Scanty
Scant
Skimpy
Paltry (makes me feel like I should have a horse)
Sparse
Insufficient
Deficient
Measly
Piddling

and so on and so forth
 
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