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Johncardic
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Tertiary could be a name,but again i never heard of any tertiary monastery.Does someone have a clue if such a thing as a ‘tertiary’ monastery exists
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Fauken
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Not really. “Tertiary” generally refers to Third Lay Orders, which, as the name implies, is compromised of lay people. Lay people do not live in a monastery like religious do.
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Johncardic
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But they do exist.I am just wondering if there are most monasteries of this kind.
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BartholomewB
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There are, or used to be, monasteries that accept oblates.
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Dovekin
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While third orders are frequently made up of laity, there have been regularized groups of third orders. (regularized means they have adopted a rule, regula)
This is more common with women; the 2nd order groups tend to be monastic, while 3rd order are service oriented. Many groups of Dominican or Franciscan women were originally known as third order. The terminology is less used now than it once was.
The best known in the USA are probably Franciscan TOR who started the Franciscan University of Steubenville.
I do not know of any monasteries that are 3rd order, but I would not be surprised if they exist. Friaries certainly, but the monastic types would likely be united in the 1st or 2nd orders.
This is more common with women; the 2nd order groups tend to be monastic, while 3rd order are service oriented. Many groups of Dominican or Franciscan women were originally known as third order. The terminology is less used now than it once was.
The best known in the USA are probably Franciscan TOR who started the Franciscan University of Steubenville.
I do not know of any monasteries that are 3rd order, but I would not be surprised if they exist. Friaries certainly, but the monastic types would likely be united in the 1st or 2nd orders.
Cloisters
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Only in Franciscanism. Common term is “Tercelines”.
The Dominican Sisters of the Perpetual Rosary were cloistered Third Order Regular Dominicans. They were, however, eventually integrated into the Second Order. In the 1970s, the Dominicans declared themselves a family, and the “order” resignations were dropped.
According to a Discalced Carmelite prioress, there’s a group of prisoners who claim to be the only cloistered Third Order Discalced Carmelites in the world.
There may be Tercelines in other spiritualities, but the Franciscans are going to be the most ubiquitous, and mostly in Europe. The community in Steubenville is a variation-on-a-theme.
Blessings,
Mrs Cloisters, O.P.
Lay Dominican
http://cloisters.tripod.com/charity/
http://cloisters.tripod.com/
The Dominican Sisters of the Perpetual Rosary were cloistered Third Order Regular Dominicans. They were, however, eventually integrated into the Second Order. In the 1970s, the Dominicans declared themselves a family, and the “order” resignations were dropped.
According to a Discalced Carmelite prioress, there’s a group of prisoners who claim to be the only cloistered Third Order Discalced Carmelites in the world.
There may be Tercelines in other spiritualities, but the Franciscans are going to be the most ubiquitous, and mostly in Europe. The community in Steubenville is a variation-on-a-theme.
Blessings,
Mrs Cloisters, O.P.
Lay Dominican
http://cloisters.tripod.com/charity/
http://cloisters.tripod.com/
Cloisters
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Actually, this community is the “variation-on-a-theme”, not the ones who founded the university:
https://www.franciscansisterstor.org/
And here’s a list of Third Order Regular Sisters founded in France. You’ll see that one is named “Tiercelines” which is the spelling I was aiming at in the previous post.
http://web.sbu.edu/friedsam/filib/3rdordersistersfrance.htm
https://www.franciscansisterstor.org/
And here’s a list of Third Order Regular Sisters founded in France. You’ll see that one is named “Tiercelines” which is the spelling I was aiming at in the previous post.
http://web.sbu.edu/friedsam/filib/3rdordersistersfrance.htm
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Johncardic
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are there male based Tiercelines?
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TomH1
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Regular tertiaries are third order religious communities (religious brothers or religious sisters) and they would live in a religious house, often called a convent.
To be strictly accurate such convents should not be called monasteries. Monastery is usually used to refer to contemplative first and second orders.
To be strictly accurate such convents should not be called monasteries. Monastery is usually used to refer to contemplative first and second orders.
Cloisters
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With all due respect, the TORs do indeed have cloistered nuns, and their convents are referred to as monasteries. They just don’t have the “First Order,” “Second Order” designations because they are fully Third Order Regular. Please see their section in this wiki article:
I checked their links on my site, but they’re not working. The nuns are present in Mexico, Spain, Peru, and Italy.
I checked their links on my site, but they’re not working. The nuns are present in Mexico, Spain, Peru, and Italy.
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TomH1
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Can you please cite in that article where it says that Third Orders are cloistered and contemplative? I cannot find where it does say that. I fully appreciate that no religious institute states in its name whether it is first, second or third order. I am not expecting them to do that. However, my understanding is that by their very nature third orders are not cloistered and contemplative. Being cloistered and contemplative is what you expect to see in second orders.
Cloisters
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From the Wiki article:
The Third Order Regular Franciscans developed in the early 13th century from the convergence of groups of penitents, who were inspired by the life of Saint Francis. Sometime between 1209 and 1220, Saint Francis communicated with some of these groups through a series of letters entitled the “Exhortations to the Brothers and Sisters of Penance”.
Third Order Regular[edit]
Main article: Third Order Regular of St. Francis of PenanceThe Third Order Regular Franciscans developed in the early 13th century from the convergence of groups of penitents, who were inspired by the life of Saint Francis. Sometime between 1209 and 1220, Saint Francis communicated with some of these groups through a series of letters entitled the “Exhortations to the Brothers and Sisters of Penance”.
More than 448 congregations profess the “Rule and Life of the Brothers and Sisters of the Third Order Regular of St. Francis.” There are 18 male congregations of Tertiary Franciscans, 370 congregations of Franciscan Sisters and 60 monasteries of cloistered nuns. The Third Order congregations of men and women number over 200,000 male and female religious.
The second link under my signature is my online ministry of 30+ years – a clearinghouse site of cloisters – which is now one of our new congregation’s vocational ministries. I know for a fact that the Third Order Regular nuns exist because their links have been on my site. I’m just having a problem finding an updated website for them. Since they are primarily in Mexico, Spain, Peru, and Italy, they may have experienced severe contraction like everyone else.
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TomH1
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That is a different website to the one you posted in post #11.
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TomH1
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That may be so. However, it is not an answer to my previous thread.
As this appears to be going nowhere constructive I am muting this thread and I shall no longer participate in it.
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