Is there superiority of Traditional Latin Mass over 'regular Mass'?

[CaptainPrudeman]

Now THAT is speculation.

So if you’re okay with the way the discussion has gone, why comment at all? There is no reason to rock the boat and say “Oh well we aren’t allowed to disagree” because you apparently agree that all that matters is the teaching of the Church.

 

[ThomasMT]

I think you already made my point loud and clear. Thank u captain )

 

[AlbMagno]

Well, now that this question has been answered the thread can be closed before is devolves further…

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

Thought it’d be a simple one to answer from the beginning…

 

[whatistrue]

I did not even suspected that there might be any rules here about favouring one form over another,

I don’t believe that such a rule actually exists. I have seen many people make the claim that one form or the other was superior several times and those posts not touched. It seems fashionable for some to claim censorship when there is none. In my experience if a claim of superiority of either form is flagged and removed, it is generally due more to tone or overt hostility than simply a bare claim. And either way there are plenty to dispute it.

ETA: It appears that what gets claims of superiority flagged is falsely claiming it is taught as such by the Church. So long as one doesn’t do that, and is not overtly hostile or rude I have personally seen more than one such claim left completely alone except to be rigorously argued against.

 

[whatistrue]

So would it not be easier for newcomers to participate in the Ordinary Form

Based on the fact that the OF is much more readily available, yes it would be easier. But if an EF is available to a newcomer or inquirer there is no reason why they couldn’t or shouldn’t go there if they wish. It may also be easier for a newcomer to follow the Mass with it being in their own language, but as many who frequent the EF point out, dual language missals are often made available in those Churches offering it. Or one could go to a Divine Liturgy at one of the Eastern Catholic Churches if one is available. But the bottom line is go to Mass (or Divine Liturgy) and learn, whichever form you prefer.

 

[ThomasMT]

my experience if a claim of superiority of either form is flagged and removed, it is generally due more to tone or overt hostility than simply a bare claim.

“Tone,” a negative one being very loosely and subjectively defined.

It appears that what gets claims of superiority flagged is falsely claiming it is taught as such by the Church. So long as one doesn’t do that, and is not overtly hostile or rude I have personally seen more than one such claim left completely alone except to be rigorously argued against.

I have seen many people make the claim that one form or the other was superior several times and those posts not touched. It seems fashionable for some to claim censorship when there is none.

I’d be curious to take a look myself, can you share a link?

 

[humilityseeker]

But if Novus Ordo is legal and the bread and wine are truly transformed into the Real Body and Blood of Christ, if He is really present during Mass (and I believe in that wholeheartedly), why one have to seek Traditional Latin Mass?

Jesus is present at both Masses. There is no difference.
We do not have to seek out a Latin Mass.
My advice is put down the radical elements of the internet and pick up the Catechism of the Catholic Church and read concerning ordained Holy Orders, the role of the Presbyter (the priest) and also about the Priesthood of the People. The baptised laity is the common priesthood or the Priesthood of the People.

 

[Cor_ad_Cor]

I don’t believe that such a rule actually exists.

There are several CAF rules that, for reasons unknown to me, are no longer published. The mods continue to support enforcement of those rules via flagging most of the time. Those of us who have been around for 4+ years are likely to be familiar with them as they used to be posted.

 

[on_the_hill]

To answer the OP:
It depends on which one you prefer to attend.

 

[otjm]

I prefer Byzantine Divine Liturgy to TLM, yet I am apparently a heretic for doing so.

Well, you know the saying of the Church: “not every word out of a heretic is a heresy.”

 

[Tis_Bearself]

I’m holding out for the return of the Sarum Rite. I read that it makes the Tridentine Rite look like Mass on the Grass.

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Yes, I heard they have still have it once in a while from time to time. I hope they used a church that still had a rood screen.

 

[otjm]

why one have to seek Traditional Latin Mass?

If one were to parse the rubrics (rules for saying the Mass) one would possibly come to the conclusion that the EF (Extraordinary Form, or what you referred to as The Latin Mass) tends more towards God Transcendent, and the OF (Ordinary Form, or what is said in the vast majority of parishes in the US) brings in more God Immanent.

The matter of which one to go to is a matter of preference. It was the intent of the 2,147 bishops who signed Sacrosanctum Concilium that changes be made to the Mass. Some have felt that the changes were either too wide, or too abrupt, or both. But the vast majority of Masses said in the US are the OF, which was promulgated after Vatican 2.

As an aside, you might want to reconsider which internet sites you visit. It is not that sites are bad per se, but rather that the ones you seem to be seeing are perhaps less than charitable to the changes made to the Mass.

I live in a smaller metropolitan area with 4 parishes, the largest of which has 3,000 families. In those four parishes the majority of Masses are said in English; the next grouping is in Spanish, then Vietnamese, then Tagalog, and one Mass in Latin in the EF. The attendance at the last is the lowest, with fewer than 100 people (and it is in the parish of 3,000 families).

 

[otjm]

There are more emasculated men at Novus Ordo and even priests seem very emasculated

You are running preciously close to a complaint to the moderators.

 

[Fauken]

Teehee…Truth hurts huh?

Rudeness is not truth. Truth and charity go hand in hand: you can’t have one without the other.

 

[ThomasMT]

Rudeness is not charity. Truth is truth, regardless of how it’s presented. It is love that is dependent on both charity and truth.

Just a side note, subject matter notwithstanding.

 

[phil19034]

From what we can observe here at CAF, it seems the only people who call it the Novus Ordo are those who disapprove of it.

This is not true. I’ve heard Archbishops use the phrase “Novus Ordo” when referring to the Ordinary Form.

“Novus Ordo” simply means “New Order of the Mass.” It is a common term that has been used for a while now, by many different Catholics.

The derogatory term is when people abbreviate Novus Ordo to “NO” and type things like “NO Mass.”

My point - when you see people calling the Ordinary Form the “NO Mass” you can call them out. But please do not judge people who say “Novus Ordo” because there are a number of young priests and current Archbishops who use the phrase “Novus Ordo.”

Even Bishop Barron uses the phrase “Novus Ordo” too.

 

[phil19034]

I’m holding out for the return of the Sarum Rite. I read that it makes the Tridentine Rite look like Mass on the Grass.

I’ve attended Vespers in the Sarum Rite, it was totally awesome and EXTREMELY detailed.

You can watch it here (this is the one I attended at St. Patrick’s Church in Philadelphia - which is staffed by the Dominicans)

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Thanks, I’ll give it a look tomorrow.