Is there trully such a thing as right and wrong?

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Is there trully such a thing as right and wrong?

Is it possible to prove that right and wrong exists, or is it up to my opponent to disprove it?
 
Is it possible to prove that right and wrong exists, or is it up to my opponent to disprove it?
On the contrary,
it is up to you to prove there is no right and wrong! :mad:

Can you do it? 😃
 
Of course “right and wrong” exists.

Think about it: “There is no Truth,” is a dogmatic statement, and therefore self-contradictory. Also, 2+2=4 at all times. 2+2 will never equal 5 (unless you are Winston from 1984). It must always equal 4, even if 4 appears to be 10 if you are in base 4 (where 2+2=10) that 10 really is 4, just in a different mathematical language. It is correct to say that 2+2=4 and wrong to say that 2+2=5. It is then an extension through many steps of logic to also realize that there must be a standard of morality.
 
You could always stamp on his foot or spit in his eye and challenge him to show why it was wrong. 😃
 
  1. The fact that you ask the question implies that there is a difference between
    right and wrong, i.e. true and false.
  2. It also implies you expect a person to give you a true answer.
  3. This implies you expect the person to do what is right, i.e. to behave sincerely and honestly.
  4. Therefore there must be such a thing as right and wrong - otherwise you wouldn’t be asking the question! 😉
 
Of course “right and wrong” exists.

Think about it: “There is no Truth,” is a dogmatic statement, and therefore self-contradictory. Also, 2+2=4 at all times. 2+2 will never equal 5 (unless you are Winston from 1984). It must always equal 4, even if 4 appears to be 10 if you are in base 4 (where 2+2=10) that 10 really is 4, just in a different mathematical language. It is correct to say that 2+2=4 and wrong to say that 2+2=5. It is then an extension through many steps of logic to also realize that there must be a standard of morality.
I think one step is enough, Alex! 🙂
 
PRO: The words ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ appeared to be used meaningfully. Hence, they must connect (or be understood as connecting) with some conceptual substance, otherwise no-one would ever use them as words.

HOWEVER: As different people say different things are ‘wrong’ and ‘right’ it appears that there is no agreement as to the conceptual substance designated by these terms, or the criteria by which they may be determined.

FUTHERMORE: The possibility of something being ‘wrong’ or ‘right’ would seem to depend upon a subject who apprehends it. Thus an event in space (such as an explosion), perceived by no-one, cannot in itself be wrong or right. For it is not until we perceive (or conceive) of the event that it can be qualified as either. So, ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ would seem to describe subjective responses, rather than the thing itself.

These subjective responses depend upon perceptions, which are relative, and upon the criteria assigned to ‘right’ and ‘wrong’, which would also appear relative.

CONCLUSION: It would seem that the words ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ exist. Beyond this, it would seem that nothing can be determined about the matter.

And hence follows Phyrronean quietude…🤷
 
Is there trully such a thing as right and wrong?

Is it possible to prove that right and wrong exists, or is it up to my opponent to disprove it?
1-Yes, there truly is such a thing as right and wrong.
2-No, it would be up to*** you ***to disprove it. :heaven:
 
Assuming that is true, ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ still exist as categories of thought.
We either learn these categories from the environment or they are pre-wired, or both. A former psychology professor of mine, when I was in graduate school, wrote an interesting article on the pre-wiring of dichotomies in our minds and brains. According to her hypothesis, we have a biological tendency toward dichotomies or dualities, rather than trichotomies and other combinations. Very young children first learn the difference between living beings and inanimate objects and refuse to believe that one can be transformed into another. Then they learn other categories, such as boy and girl, and so on.
 
PRO: The words ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ appeared to be used meaningfully. Hence, they must connect (or be understood as connecting) with some conceptual substance, otherwise no-one would ever use them as words.

HOWEVER: As different people say different things are ‘wrong’ and ‘right’ it appears that there is no agreement as to the conceptual substance designated by these terms, or the criteria by which they may be determined.

FUTHERMORE: The possibility of something being ‘wrong’ or ‘right’ would seem to depend upon a subject who apprehends it. Thus an event in space (such as an explosion), perceived by no-one, cannot in itself be wrong or right. For it is not until we perceive (or conceive) of the event that it can be qualified as either. So, ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ would seem to describe subjective responses, rather than the thing itself.

These subjective responses depend upon perceptions, which are relative, and upon the criteria assigned to ‘right’ and ‘wrong’, which would also appear relative.

CONCLUSION: It would seem that the words ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ exist. Beyond this, it would seem that nothing can be determined about the matter.

And hence follows Phyrronean quietude…🤷
However, couldn’t that “conceptual substance” with which the words are connected be non-existent in reality, such as the concept of unicorn? (Or did unicorns exist?)
 
Is there trully such a thing as right and wrong?

Is it possible to prove that right and wrong exists, or is it up to my opponent to disprove it?
If someone walks up to you and without provocation or cause, hits you so hard as to knock you out and break your jaw and for the next 6 weeks your are drinking soup and milkshakes, and afterward you develop the painful TMJ syndrome for the rest of your life - would you call that “good” or “bad” ? And would you be able to justify your decision, could you actually prove your bodily damage was “good” or “bad”?
 
However, couldn’t that “conceptual substance” with which the words are connected be non-existent in reality, such as the concept of unicorn? (Or did unicorns exist?)
Obviously, ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ don’t have physical reality, since they are accidents, not substances (one can’t find a piece of ‘rightness’- at least, it would seem so know, according to my understanding of ‘rightness’). That doesn’t mean that they are vapid of ‘real’ meaning. Take a ‘equal sign’, “=”. Now, ‘equality’ doesn’t ‘exist’ in ‘reality’, but it can still be used to make meaningful designation.

As for the unicorn, it would seem that the ‘concept of the unicorn’ exists, since we are speaking about it. Now, I have seen may 0.00000000000000001% of the universe (in reality, even less), so it would be meaningless for me to assert that it doesn’t exist, since I have no evidence with which to comment on the portions of the universe I haven’t seen.

So nothing can really be determined…
 
Obviously, ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ don’t have physical reality, since they are accidents, not substances (one can’t find a piece of ‘rightness’- at least, it would seem so know, according to my understanding of ‘rightness’). That doesn’t mean that they are vapid of ‘real’ meaning. Take a ‘equal sign’, “=”. Now, ‘equality’ doesn’t ‘exist’ in ‘reality’, but it can still be used to make meaningful designation.

As for the unicorn, it would seem that the ‘concept of the unicorn’ exists, since we are speaking about it. Now, I have seen may 0.00000000000000001% of the universe (in reality, even less), so it would be meaningless for me to assert that it doesn’t exist, since I have no evidence with which to comment on the portions of the universe I haven’t seen.

So nothing can really be determined…
I understand “right” and “wrong” are not tangible concepts. I just thought if a concrete concept we talk about may not exist in the real world, perhaps an abstract concept may also not exist.
 
Without God right and wrong becomes hazy - its by Gods law that it becomes clear.Without God evil can become good and good can become evil.Right can become wrong and wrong can become right.We didn’t create reality God did we just live in creation are subject to the law.Thats why people who don’t believe in God make wrong right or those who don’t believe seriously.An example is abortion Abortion is a man made thing subject to mans morality those who follow God know that it is wrong.Those who don’t follow God subject it to their own morality making wrong right in their own eyes…
 
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