Is this a liturgical abuse?

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After communion the priest did not go to the altar and take care of the remaining Hosts. A female EMHC grabbed the remaining Hosts and placed them in the tabernacle right behind the altar. I’ve seen it before when the tabernacle is far from the altar, not when the tabernacle is deirectly behind the altar, and never a young woman. So is that a liturgical abuse? A different priest at my Parish allowed a woman missionary to give the homily once too.
 
Saint_Michael said:
After communion the priest did not go to the altar and take care of the remaining Hosts. A female EMHC grabbed the remaining Hosts and placed them in the tabernacle right behind the altar. I’ve seen it before when the tabernacle is far from the altar, not when the tabernacle is deirectly behind the altar, and never a young woman. So is that a liturgical abuse? A different priest at my Parish allowed a woman missionary to give the homily once too.
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Yes, there is an instruction that states that the transportation of the Blessed Sacrament from the altar to the Tabernacle is to be done by an Ordinary Minister (Bishop, Priest, Deacon). This is of course the ordinary way. There are however, some extraordinary circumstances that will allow for a lay person to do so.

Yes, a homily given by anyone other than an Ordinary Minister is a major abuse.
 
Saint_Michael said:
After communion the priest did not go to the altar and take care of the remaining Hosts. A female EMHC grabbed the remaining Hosts and placed them in the tabernacle right behind the altar. I’ve seen it before when the tabernacle is far from the altar, not when the tabernacle is deirectly behind the altar, and never a young woman. So is that a liturgical abuse? A different priest at my Parish allowed a woman missionary to give the homily once too.
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I haven’t seen a Priest or Deacon take the Hosts from the Altar to the Tabernacle in my parish in many years. It has always been one of the Extraordinary Ministers, and yes, it is usually a woman.

Thankfully I’ve been spared seeing laypeople, women as well as men give the Homily since my exile in Texas many years ago when my good friends, the Sisters of the Most Precious Blood:bigyikes: made a habit of doing it.
 
Saint_Michael said:
After communion the priest did not go to the altar and take care of the remaining Hosts. A female EMHC grabbed the remaining Hosts and placed them in the tabernacle right behind the altar. I’ve seen it before when the tabernacle is far from the altar, not when the tabernacle is deirectly behind the altar, and never a young woman. So is that a liturgical abuse? A different priest at my Parish allowed a woman missionary to give the homily once too.
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In our Diocese, most tabernacles have been moved behind the altar. As such, I’ve seen EMHCs place hosts back into the tabernacle in this location. As I have never heard of anything preventing EMHCs from removing or replacing ciboria in the tabernacle, the placement of it should not matter. Particularly because the tabernacle SHOULD be behind the altar. The Blessed Sacrament is the focus and should be prominent (please note this part is my opinion).

Regarding the female missionary. We have also had female missionaries speak during mass. They are not delivering the homily, they are simply given the opportunity to speak in lieu of the priest’s homily. We have had a few missionary sisters speak about their orders, their apostolates and take that opportunity to inform and sometimes request donations. This is not a homily just because it takes place at the time a homily normally would.
 
TimOliv said:
In our Diocese, most tabernacles have been moved behind the altar. As such, I’ve seen EMHCs place hosts back into the tabernacle in this location. As I have never heard of anything preventing EMHCs from removing or replacing ciboria in the tabernacle, the placement of it should not matter. Particularly because the tabernacle SHOULD be behind the altar. The Blessed Sacrament is the focus and should be prominent (please note this part is my opinion).

Regarding the female missionary. We have also had female missionaries speak during mass. They are not delivering the homily, they are simply given the opportunity to speak in lieu of the priest’s homily. We have had a few missionary sisters speak about their orders, their apostolates and take that opportunity to inform and sometimes request donations. This is not a homily just because it takes place at the time a homily normally would.
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First of all there is a restriction and given time I will get the reference is another does not beat me to it.

Second, on a Sunday or Solemnity the homily cannot be omitted ever, for any reason. Also, on all other days of the year if a person is giving a talk of some sort at mass it cannot be in the same place as the homily but can only be after the reception of communion. This is all expressed clearly in the GIRM.
 
ravenonthecross said:
What Is GIRM? I don’t know what that stands for?
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General Instruction of the Roman Missal

I don’t have one handy (surprisingly), so anyone who can cite the restrictions on EMHCs would have the eyes of Buddha smile upon them.

…and yes I’m kidding.
 
From the GIRM:

“163 After the distribution of communion, the priest himself immediately consumes at the altar any consecrated wine which happens to remain; but if there are extra consecrated hosts left, he either consumes them at the altar or carries them to the place designated for the reservation of the Eucharist.”

Hope that helps.
 
Servulus said:
From the GIRM:

“163 After the distribution of communion, the priest himself immediately consumes at the altar any consecrated wine which happens to remain; but if there are extra consecrated hosts left, he either consumes them at the altar or carries them to the place designated for the reservation of the Eucharist.”

Hope that helps.
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Indeed it does. I’m not a big fan of EMHC’s in the first place. So I suppose this would constitute liturgical abuse. Unfortunately its the type I’d be very surprised if (say my Bishop) cracked down on.
 
TimOliv said:
I’m not a big fan of EMHC’s in the first place.
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If you ever join the ranks of the elderly, sick or homebound who can not go to church and are dependent on EMHC to bring them the Eucharist, you may change your opinion.
 
Sir_Knight said:
If you ever join the ranks of the elderly, sick or homebound who can not go to church and are dependent on EMHC to bring them the Eucharist, you may change your opinion.
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Actually this is exactly why in the first place there needs to be a flowering of vocations.
 
I have been known to discuss some of the criticisms of Mass, etc. that I read about in this forum with my pastor. Nine times out of ten, he attributes the misunderstandings to Vatican II changes.

Are people rejecting Vatican II or just ignorant of its content?
 
LeahInancsi said:
I have been known to discuss some of the criticisms of Mass, etc. that I read about in this forum with my pastor. Nine times out of ten, he attributes the misunderstandings to Vatican II changes.

Are people rejecting Vatican II or just ignorant of its content?
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When I began my reversion process, I used to hear quite frequently that my misunderstandings were due to Vatican II changes. So I went out and got a complete set of the documents published by the Council. Now, when someone tells me that, I ask them to tell me in which part of what document the particular change was mandated/allowed. I’ve often found that the person can’t tell me.
 
As Fr. Benedict Groschel is oft to ask. “If anyone actually sees the Spirit of Vatican II do us all a favor and drive a stake through its heart.”
 
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