Is this a sign that our country might be too materialistic and consumerists

[stinkcat_14]

Saying that “some CEOs can be evil” is as much stating a fact as saying that “some dogs will bite.”

Start at square 1 again.

If you want to claim that all CEOs are not evil, then feel free to present your data.

 

[Tim_D]

If you want to claim that all CEOs are not evil, then feel free to present your data.

I would think that the onus is upon you to prove your point but seeing that it is ridiculous from the start, I can’t really see any reason to it.

 

[stinkcat_14]

I would think that the onus is upon you to prove your point but seeing that it is ridiculous from the start, I can’t really see any reason to it.

Ok, let me prove my point. I said that people who run corporations can be evil. Proof: We are all stained by original sin, thus we have the capacity for evil. QED.

I would argue that your point, whatever it is, is the ridiculous one. I said that those who run corporations can be evil, you claim to have a problem with that, but you cannot provide a coherent reason why I am wrong.

 

[Tim_D]

Ok, let me prove my point. I said that people who run corporations can be evil. Proof: We are all stained by original sin, thus we have the capacity for evil. QED.

Wow…you got me there…

I would argue that your point, whatever it is, is the ridiculous one. I said that those who run corporations can be evil, you claim to have a problem with that, but you cannot provide a coherent reason why I am wrong.

You’ve yet to provide a “coherent reason” why you are right.

How about this: you are “stained by original sin,”: thus you have the capacity to be incorrect.

 

[Horton]

the way we treat social workers? They reach out and help care for the most disadvantaged and marginalized in society from prisoners, substance abuse addicts, abused and neglected children, foster youth, the sick, the disabled, the elderly and poor families.

Yet we reward them with heavy caseloads, low pay, tough hours and unfortunately stigma in some cases (i.e. CPS and Child and Family Services just want to take away our kids!)?

I know not everyone needs a social worker and that social programs are not panaceas for society. But it’s sad that CPS and Family Support workers have caseloads so high that the people they serve are just another file. Rather than learning and encouraging a child’s hopes and dreams or being an integral and beautiful part of a struggling family’s story, they turn into paper pushers and bureaucratic cogs.

Because of stress and burnout, they may appear to be cold and distant figures rather than a rock for a mother who working to reunify with her daughter or a mentor and role model for an abused youth.

Thoughts?

Actually, my wife and some of my friends are case managers/social workers. They get burned out because a lot of their clients are a part of the entitlement mentality. They expect miracles to happen, literally and figuratively.

As far as the state taking kids away, heh, that’s not so easy to do, and people involved with Social Services cases need to calm down and see reality for what it is. I think it can get more murky in custodial issues between family, though.

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I did social work/education/case management for most of my career. Some of that time working in a correctional facility. I got lucky and was able to retire well before retirement age. It is difficult and burdensome work. Many of the folks I worked with had huge entitlement issues and most had no concept of personal responsibility. Toward the end I had very little good will toward others, it had been sucked dry.

 

[stinkcat_14]

Wow…you got me there…

To be fair, the claim that I made was not a particularly strong one. I said that individuals can be evil, CEOs, being in the class of individuals can be evil as well. That is not an earth shattering claim, nor should it be surprising to any rational individual. You are the only one who seems to have a problem with that claim. It is a claim that you lack the complete inability to refute. As they say in law, when the facts are on your side, argue the facts, when the law is on your side, argue the law, when neither is on your side pound the table. All you are doing my friend is pounding the table.

You’ve yet to provide a “coherent reason” why you are right.

How about this: you are “stained by original sin,”: thus you have the capacity to be incorrect.

I agree you have the capacity to be incorrect and so do I. I have given my reasoning and you cannot refute it, so you just go off on irrelevant tangents.

 

[ManOnFire]

the way we treat social workers? They reach out and help care for the most disadvantaged and marginalized in society from prisoners, substance abuse addicts, abused and neglected children, foster youth, the sick, the disabled, the elderly and poor families.

Yet we reward them with heavy caseloads, low pay, tough hours and unfortunately stigma in some cases (i.e. CPS and Child and Family Services just want to take away our kids!)?

I know not everyone needs a social worker and that social programs are not panaceas for society. But it’s sad that CPS and Family Support workers have caseloads so high that the people they serve are just another file. Rather than learning and encouraging a child’s hopes and dreams or being an integral and beautiful part of a struggling family’s story, they turn into paper pushers and bureaucratic cogs.

Because of stress and burnout, they may appear to be cold and distant figures rather than a rock for a mother who working to reunify with her daughter or a mentor and role model for an abused youth.

Thoughts?

The irony is that they help many of the victims of liberal behaviors, yet they run to the polls to vote for liberal politicians that create more victims. You’d think they would vote to bring back conservative Mayberry, but that would lead to more romance, marriage, and population growth, and the progressive atheists in power won’t have a way to feed everyone.

 

[ManOnFire]

The US is the nation where majority of the materialism and consumerism originates, people in third world countries dream of having all the luxuries people do in the US, being able to buy Levis jeans, $200. Jordan shoes, half million dollar sports cars, a house on the beach, eat at fine restaurants all the time, etc etc. Our greedy lifestyles are pushed on the rest of the world

Money is the ‘god’ for many, but in the US, its to an extreme, but its not going this way forever, I have a feeling when Jesus returns, its not going to be a good time for big retailers or corporations, especially those that have taken advantage of certain religious holidays (Christmas) for their own monetary gain, Christmas in the US translates to kids all wanting as many expensive gifts as possible, of course retailers cater to this greed, by opening very early, staying open for days on end sometimes, its all about getting people to spend more money, and its never enough, they could care less about the real reason for Christmas.

Materialism was promoted by progressives as a means of birth control where more and more individuals would become too selfish and unromantic to want to get married and have expensive babies. It’s not a corporate thing or a Republican thing, it’s a progressive means to control population growth.

 

[Tim_D]

I agree you have the capacity to be incorrect and so do I. I have given my reasoning and you cannot refute it, so you just go off on irrelevant tangents.

Haha!!! You really think that you’re something, don’t you?!?!?

I do not refute your “reasoning” because there is nothing to refute.

“Some CEOs can be evil” is such a paltry, unsophisticated, sophist statement that it doesn’t even invite refutation. You may as well say that “water is wet” or “apples may be red.”

I wonder; do universities award a Bachelor of the Obvious degree???

 

[stinkcat_14]

Haha!!! You really think that you’re something, don’t you?!?!?

I do not refute your “reasoning” because there is nothing to refute.

“Some CEOs can be evil” is such a paltry, unsophisticated, sophist statement that it doesn’t even invite refutation. You may as well say that “water is wet” or “apples may be red.”

I wonder; do universities award a Bachelor of the Obvious degree???

I agree that what I said was not particularly earth shattering. You were the one who threw a fit about it and demanded proof. It took you several posts to realize you constant demands for proof was silly.

 

[Tim_D]

It took you several posts to realize you constant demands for proof was silly.

Please. It took you several posts to finally admit that what you wrote is drivel.

 

[stinkcat_14]

Please. It took you several posts to finally admit that what you wrote is drivel.

The truth is drivel? I posted a comment about human nature. You had a problem with it, yet you could not articulate a coherent argument against the comment. So the question I have to ask you is who is the the one posting drivel? That would be you, not me.

 

[mikekle]

I would think that the onus is upon you to prove your point but seeing that it is ridiculous from the start, I can’t really see any reason to it.

The fact that many (not all) big corporations/retailers, whatever, put greed/money first and people/ faith, come second or not at all, shows they can indeed be evil. Corporations, companies, governments, etc are all made up of people, some are going to be evil and others are not, they most certainly can steer their company in an ‘evil’ direction as well thru their actions, policies, etc.

It disgusts me to see all the big retailers take full advantage of Christmas (a religious holiday celebrating the birthday of our Lord), they all love christmas, but for the wrong reasons, it means money to them, that is their only interest in it, if Christmas did not involve the giving and receiving of gifts, I seriously doubt any corporation/ retailer would even acknowledge it.

Another thing is, no matter how much money they rake in, its NEVER enough, they always want more, that is the very definition of greed.