Is this a symbol of christ

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John 6 Vs 56, Jesus said, “He that eats My flesh and drinks My blood dwells in Me, and I in him.”
Did He say, ‘He that eats a symbol of My flesh…’. How can a mere symbol fulfill this promise?
Does only a symbol of Christ dwell in us? I thought GOD Himself dwelt within us, 1John 4:12-13.
 
BILL PICK said:
John 6 Vs 56, Jesus said, “He that eats My flesh and drinks My blood dwells in Me, and I in him.”
Did He say, ‘He that eats a symbol of My flesh…’. How can a mere symbol fulfill this promise?
Does only a symbol of Christ dwell in us? I thought GOD Himself dwelt within us, 1John 4:12-13.
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as many Catholics have advocated, the crux of Christianity is the Body and Blood of our Lord that he offers to all believers which unfortunately, many of our protestant brothers and sisters balk at. they don’t know what they are missing. let’s pray for them.😉
God bless.
 
BILL PICK said:
John 6 Vs 56, Jesus said, “He that eats My flesh and drinks My blood dwells in Me, and I in him.”
Did He say, ‘He that eats a symbol of My flesh…’. How can a mere symbol fulfill this promise?
Does only a symbol of Christ dwell in us? I thought GOD Himself dwelt within us, 1John 4:12-13.
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Jesus is the Lamb of God, and even John the Batist testifies to this: “Lo, the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sins of the world.”

Jesus had to be the Paschal Lamb, or else He could not die for our sins, since God had instructed the Jews to make holocausts, which in turn were meant to point toward the Holy Sacrifice of Jesus, just as the serpent which Moses lifted up, and which drew all the Israelites to itself that they might be healed, was meant to point toward Jesus being lifted up on the Cross and drawing all men to Himself.

Because Jesus is the Lamb of God, He had to be the Paschal meal, the lamb which Jews are required to eat on the eve of Passover in remembrance of Israel’s freedom from bondage, in re-presentation of Israel’s flight from Egypt, and in anticipation of Israel’s awaited redemption (the three facets of Jewish holy days are remembrace, re-presentation, and anticipation, which is where we get the Mass from: remembrance of Jesus’ death. re-presentation of Calvary, and anticipation of the glory to come).

Hence, because His flesh had to be eaten and His blood drunk, He says during Passover, “Take and eat, this IS My Body…Take this, all of you, and drink from it; this IS the cup of My Blood.” He didn’t simply say “is” - though that would have been enough to show He meant the bread became His Body and the wine became His Blood - but emphasized the world “is,” as if to say, “Do not doubt, I am with you under the appearance of bread and wine, just as I am here at this table, and I will be with you always, even to the end of the ages.”

There is a Rabbinic tradition that states when the Messiah comes, all sacrifices will cease, save one: the thanksigiving offering. The Eucharist, which means “thanksigiving”, is truly the sacrifice of thanksgiving and praise, and since it is the one and same Holy Sacriifice of Jesus Christ on the Cross (the Lamb on the holy altar), then Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist, and just as He said, and as the Rabbinic tradition prophecies, “I will be with you always, even to the end of the ages”: The Eucharist will never cease, for it is the Sacrament of Christ.
 
Eucharisted said:
Jesus is the Lamb of God, and even John the Batist testifies to this: “Lo, the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sins of the world.”

Jesus had to be the Paschal Lamb, or else He could not die for our sins, since God had instructed the Jews to make holocausts, which in turn were meant to point toward the Holy Sacrifice of Jesus, just as the serpent which Moses lifted up, and which drew all the Israelites to itself that they might be healed, was meant to point toward Jesus being lifted up on the Cross and drawing all men to Himself.

Because Jesus is the Lamb of God, He had to be the Paschal meal, the lamb which Jews are required to eat on the eve of Passover in remembrance of Israel’s freedom from bondage, in re-presentation of Israel’s flight from Egypt, and in anticipation of Israel’s awaited redemption (the three facets of Jewish holy days are remembrace, re-presentation, and anticipation, which is where we get the Mass from: remembrance of Jesus’ death. re-presentation of Calvary, and anticipation of the glory to come).

Hence, because His flesh had to be eaten and His blood drunk, He says during Passover, “Take and eat, this IS My Body…Take this, all of you, and drink from it; this IS the cup of My Blood.” He didn’t simply say “is” - though that would have been enough to show He meant the bread became His Body and the wine became His Blood - but emphasized the world “is,” as if to say, “Do not doubt, I am with you under the appearance of bread and wine, just as I am here at this table, and I will be with you always, even to the end of the ages.”

There is a Rabbinic tradition that states when the Messiah comes, all sacrifices will cease, save one: the thanksigiving offering. The Eucharist, which means “thanksigiving”, is truly the sacrifice of thanksgiving and praise, and since it is the one and same Holy Sacriifice of Jesus Christ on the Cross (the Lamb on the holy altar), then Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist, and just as He said, and as the Rabbinic tradition prophecies, “I will be with you always, even to the end of the ages”: The Eucharist will never cease, for it is the Sacrament of Christ.
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Eucharisted your post shows a general lack of understanding of Jewish tradition. If Jesus was the paschal lamb that we are supposed to eat then why didn’t HE take a piece of real lamb and say this is my body??

Also Jesus never said this is the cup of my blood. Never anywhere in scripture do we find those words. Christ stated the CUP is the new covenant in HIS blood. The new covenant is in Jesus blood. Again Jesus never stated that it was a cup of HIS blood. Going back to the Jewish passover and the celebration of the Seder meal, the cup that Christ used to signify the new covenant was the 3rd cup of redemption the Jews use to remember the blood of the lambs slain prior to the exodus. This cup is taken after their meal and is red wine mixed with warm water to SYMBOLIZE the blood of the lambs. This is the same cup of wine Christ used to let the Apostles now know the new covenant has been established.

If the cup was literally Christ’s blood then why after the supposed consecration takes place we read Jesus telling the Apostles the following:

29 I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom

Fruit of the vine does not mean grape juice or blood. It refers to wine. So Christ still calls the cup wine even after your supposed claim of consecration. By your interpretation we will be drinking blood when we get to Heaven even though this is a forbidden practice by Jesus Father.

Your statement on Rabbinic tradition is also false. You are trying to make a tie with communion that can’t be made. The Rabbinic tradition takes into account that the Temple will be rebuilt by the Messiah restoring the new Kingdom. Currently given there is no Temple the Jews cannot make an animal sacrifice for their sins hence the Yom Kippur holiday.
 
What we have here is a group of catholics talking about why they’re right about their doctrine.
Why is this in Non-Catholic religions?
 
grampben said:
What we have here is a group of catholics talking about why they’re right about their doctrine.
Why is this in Non-Catholic religions?
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A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion."
Proverbs 18:2
 
BILL PICK said:
WELL REMEMBER YOU SAID IT NOT ME
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Bill you’ve created 2 threads on this same topic within like 24 hours.

It might interest you to know that many Roman Catholic scholars including Bellarmine flat out state that no verse of scripture supports transubstantiation. Point in fact you will not find one ECF who uses John 6 to point to communion and the literal change of the substance to Christ’s body and blood.

The RC insists that the Eucharist is the earthly body and blood of Christ. The problem is they also affirm Jesus was 100% man and 100% divine. But no crossover of the 2. Meaning Jesus human characteristics had nothing to do with HIS divinity.

Given that how do you suppose Jesus’ earthly body which is not divine can be in New York, Chicago, Tampa etc. at the same time?? If it really is HIS earthly body then why does the church tear it or break it in half again creating what is called an unbloody sacrifice given Hebrews tells us we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all??
 
NDfan said:
Bill you’ve created 2 threads on this same topic within like 24 hours.

It might interest you to know that many Roman Catholic scholars including Bellarmine flat out state that no verse of scripture supports transubstantiation. Point in fact you will not find one ECF who uses John 6 to point to communion and the literal change of the substance to Christ’s body and blood.

The RC insists that the Eucharist is the earthly body and blood of Christ. The problem is they also affirm Jesus was 100% man and 100% divine. But no crossover of the 2. Meaning Jesus human characteristics had nothing to do with HIS divinity.

Given that how do you suppose Jesus’ earthly body which is not divine can be in New York, Chicago, Tampa etc. at the same time?? If it really is HIS earthly body then why does the church tear it or break it in half again creating what is called an unbloody sacrifice given Hebrews tells us we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all??
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mathew 26: 26 -27

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Then he took a cup, gave thanks, 16 and gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you,
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**for this is my blood **of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sin.

Seems that this reads that the what was in the cup was the blood of Jesus.
 
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