Is this a valid form of absolution?

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I went to confession today and when the priest absolved me he said:
“May God through the glorious resurrection of His Son absolve you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit”
Was that a valid form of absolution?

Glory to God!
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Hail Mary!
 
No, I’m afraid that that’s not sacramentally valid. That is a prayer, not absolution. The essential part, the “form” of the sacrament of reconciliation, are the words “Ego te absolvo”, that is: “I absolve you” or “I absolve thee”. Without them, remittance does not take place, unfortunately… If this is an ongoing event with your confessor, then it would need to be brought to the attention of the bishop.
 
You have scruples, please do not seek advice from anyone on the internet. We are in all seriousness, going to enable you, injure you further, cauee you more angst.

Please, ask your Priest.
 
As “sweetpetunia” states, this is not valid. If the words "I absolve you of all your sins in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" are not recited, then it’s not valid.

If the Confessor does this repeatedly, inform the Ordinary. The Priest will need correction, because he is not using the valid form of Absolution. For the mean time, it would be advisable to seek another Confessor until such correction is given.
 
As “sweetpetunia” states, this is not valid. If the words "I absolve you of all your sins in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" are not recited, then it’s not valid.

If the Confessor does this repeatedly, inform the Ordinary. The Priest will need correction, because he is not using the valid form of Absolution. For the mean time, it would be advisable to seek another Confessor until such correction is given.
But he does not have to repeat the confession as “ecclesia supplex” - the Church supplies. So one is still forgiven. Which is good for someone like me because I wouldn’t even notice the exact words & would simply accept what the priest says. I’d hate to think I might have unforgiven sins simply because the priest said the wrong words.
 
Jesus heard your confession. Have faith in the mercy of God who forgives the sins of those who confess with their mouths and with a contrite heart.
God is omnipotent and not bound by sacraments. Your salvation hinges not on whether or not a priest said just the right words.

Besides that, many priests say the words of absolution silently as you are saying your act of contrition, so you may have simply not heard it.

God heard your confession alright, and he surely forgave you your sins.

Careful of that scrupulously business.
 
But he does not have to repeat the confession as “ecclesia supplex” - the Church supplies. So one is still forgiven. Which is good for someone like me because I wouldn’t even notice the exact words & would simply accept what the priest says. I’d hate to think I might have unforgiven sins simply because the priest said the wrong words.
I had a similar experience where I received a “May Jesus forgive you” in lieu of legit absolution. I asked a few priests, none of whom are prone to scruples. 😉 I was told that venial sins were covered, but any mortal sins would need to be re-confessed as they weren’t validly absolved. There is a good article by a canon lawyer on the notion of Ecclesia Supplet here: canonlaw.info/2007/02/we-need-to-be-careful-with-notion-of.html

This may also be worth a read: ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage.asp?number=411941
 
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But he does not have to repeat the confession as “ecclesia supplex” - the Church supplies. So one is still forgiven. Which is good for someone like me because I wouldn’t even notice the exact words & would simply accept what the priest says. I’d hate to think I might have unforgiven sins simply because the priest said the wrong words.
“Ecclesia supplet” means the law of the church supplies executive power of governance where it is lacking. In other words, there are certain circumstances in which a priest does not have the faculty to validly absolve, but if certain conditions are in place, the law supplies that faculty. A faculty is necessary for valid absolution, whether it is given by delegation, in virtue of office, or by the law supplying it. The law cannot, however, supply something that was missing in the action of the Sacrament. In other words, it doesn’t make up for improper form or matter, only for what the law could actually supply, namely a faculty. If a priest used Doritos for matter in the Eucharist, or said something other than “this is my Body,” the Church couldn’t supply anything because matter and form were lacking in the performance of the Sacrament. Just the same with confession. If the priest doesn’t say the proper formula or at least something with a meaning that does not vitiate the essence of the formula (e.g. the difference between saying “I absolve you from your sins” and “I absolve you from all your sins”), it is not valid and nothing the law does can make it valid. Nemo dat quod non got, as it were. The law can only supply authority where necessary for validity, it can’t supply matter and form as well.

To the OP: That expression was of doubtful validity. Just go to confession again, probably with another priest, and tell him what happened. And I would also advise that you not seek help for scruples online, where the multitude of opinions will only heighten your condition. Seek help from a spiritual director or regular confessor.

-Fr ACEGC
 
I’ve been thinking about this thread & it still bothers me. I was never told (that I can recall) that one has to make sure the priest says things exactly right to make sure the sacrament is valid. I don’t like it - it seems like nit-picking. If the sacraments can’t survive a wrong word here or there, what is the point of having them? Perhaps we shouldn’t bother. 🤷

No wonder the scrupulous confess multiple times - they might have a good reason!
 
I don’t like it - it seems like nit-picking. If the sacraments can’t survive a wrong word here or there, what is the point of having them? !
No it is not “nit-picking”.

Sacraments involve yes particular matter and words…

For validity.

If someone says I baptized you in the name of the Creator, the Redeemer and the Sanctifer …that is a rather substantial change in the form and invalid. Or of they do it with wine. That is invalid.

That being said - there can be say certain mistakes that do not make it invalid - sure.
 
But he does not have to repeat the confession as “ecclesia supplex” - the Church supplies. So one is still forgiven. Which is good for someone like me because I wouldn’t even notice the exact words & would simply accept what the priest says. I’d hate to think I might have unforgiven sins simply because the priest said the wrong words.
This is also a misunderstanding of the term “ecclesia supplet.” The Church does not supply the validity of a defective form, matter or intent. If one of these is missing, the sacrament is invalid and the Church can do nothing to supply anything to make it valid. No “ecclesia supplet” can ever make right rice cakes for the Eucharist, lack of water for Baptism, or the wrong form of absolution.

The only thing the Church can supply that would make a sacrament valid where it otherwise would not, is jurisdiction/power of governance, in limited cases.

Form, intent and matter are basic sacramental theology. Words are not magic, but they DO matter. For confession, “I absolve you” is what is required. “I forgive” is dubious at best. “May God absolve you” is invalid.
 
And how is someone like me to know the exceptions?
The Priest should simply do what the Church does.

Here is the form of absolution

www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c2a4.htm#1449

All the words prior to the I absolve you - do not effect validity and can even be omitted if need be (such as lots of penitents etc).

Normally a person should not need to know all the theological discussions of if this or that is left out or what is not valid matter etc. (though they should know how to baptize in an emergency and that they need to do it with water).

If the Priest says “I hope God will forgive you”…well that is not valid.

If a Priest says “I bless you” well that is a blessing. …
 
I think I’m going to try to forget what I’ve read here & continue to trust the priests.
 
I went to confession today and when the priest absolved me he said:
“May God through the glorious resurrection of His Son absolve you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit”
Was that a valid form of absolution?

Glory to God!
and
Hail Mary!
As the priest at Confession is in persona Christi the words must be I absolve you…
 
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