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Is this acceptable behaviour of Muhammed in which suppose to be a holy month!!!

He had at least 11 official wives and he couldn’t even control his sexual desire for just few hours in Ramadan!!! 🤷

Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 13, Number 2380 + Musnad Ahmeed:*
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting.*
سنن أبي داود:
حدثنا ‏ ‏محمد بن عيسى ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏محمد بن دينار ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏سعد بن أوس العبدي ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏مصدع أبي يحيى ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عائشة أن النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏كان ‏ ‏يقبلها وهو صائم ويمص لسانها ‏

مسند أحمد:
حدثنا ‏ ‏عفان ‏ ‏قال حدثنا ‏ ‏محمد بن دينار ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏سعد بن أوس ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏مصدع أبي يحيى الأنصاري ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عائشة ‏‏أن رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏كان ‏ ‏يقبلها وهو صائم ويمص لسانها ‏
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Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 31, Number 150:
*Narrated Hisham’s father:
Aisha said, “Allah’s Apostle used to kiss some of his wives while he was fasting,” and then she smiled. *
صحيح البخاري:
إن كان رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏ليقبل بعض أزواجه وهو صائم ثم ضحكت ‏
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Sahih Muslim, Book 006, Number 2445:
'A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used to kiss her during the month of fasting.
صحيح مسلم:
كان رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏يقبل في رمضان وهو صائم ‏
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Sam_777 said:
Is this acceptable behaviour of Muhammed in which suppose to be a holy month!!!

He had at least 11 official wives and he couldn’t even control his sexual desire for just few hours in Ramadan!!! 🤷

Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 13, Number 2380 + Musnad Ahmeed:*
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting.*
سنن أبي داود:
حدثنا ‏ ‏محمد بن عيسى ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏محمد بن دينار ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏سعد بن أوس العبدي ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏مصدع أبي يحيى ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عائشة أن النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏كان ‏ ‏يقبلها وهو صائم ويمص لسانها ‏

مسند أحمد:
حدثنا ‏ ‏عفان ‏ ‏قال حدثنا ‏ ‏محمد بن دينار ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏سعد بن أوس ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏مصدع أبي يحيى الأنصاري ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عائشة ‏‏أن رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏كان ‏ ‏يقبلها وهو صائم ويمص لسانها ‏
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(E) (A) (A)

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 31, Number 150:
*Narrated Hisham’s father:
Aisha said, “Allah’s Apostle used to kiss some of his wives while he was fasting,” and then she smiled. *
صحيح البخاري:
إن كان رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏ليقبل بعض أزواجه وهو صائم ثم ضحكت ‏
​

(E) (A)

Sahih Muslim, Book 006, Number 2445:
'A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) used to kiss her during the month of fasting.
صحيح مسلم:
كان رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏يقبل في رمضان وهو صائم ‏
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(E) (A)
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The least he could do was change the rules of Ramadan so everyone else can get in a quickie. Not cool Mo, not cool at all. It aint no fun if the homies cant have none.

But seriously this is a joke right? You’re offended by what an Arab sex addict who is supposedly a prophet did during something he made up (Ramadan), he can do as he liked, he made it up and the rules change as long as he said so.

Muhammad liked to get his groove on, don’t hate the player, hate the game.
 
MarchOfThePigs said:
The least he could do was change the rules of Ramadan so everyone else can get in a quickie. Not cool Mo, not cool at all. It aint no fun if the homies cant have none.

But seriously this is a joke right? You’re offended by what an Arab sex addict who is supposedly a prophet did during something he made up (Ramadan), he can do as he liked, he made it up and the rules change as long as he said so.

Muhammad liked to get his groove on, don’t hate the player, hate the game.
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Mohammed isn’t the offense. The offense is that this man is considered perfect and an example of submission to God for Muslims. It’s one thing if the accusations against him were false, but it’s quite another if the accusations are true. From reading the Qu’ran and the hadiths, the accusations are true. But Muslims don’t want to believe this, because they are not allowed to believe it. Mohammed said if they leave Islam, they’ll go to Hell. This lie, and the threat of being killed for converting to another religion, is what keeps many Muslims in Islam. It is a disgusting form of slavery, but it is nothing as offensive as Mohammed being deemed the perfect man.
 
Eucharisted said:
Mohammed isn’t the offense. The offense is that this man is considered perfect and an example of submission to God for Muslims. It’s one thing if the accusations against him were false, but it’s quite another if the accusations are true. From reading the Qu’ran and the hadiths, the accusations are true. But Muslims don’t want to believe this, because they are not allowed to believe it. Mohammed said if they leave Islam, they’ll go to Hell. This lie, and the threat of being killed for converting to another religion, is what keeps many Muslims in Islam. It is a disgusting form of slavery, but it is nothing as offensive as Mohammed being deemed the perfect man.
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Listen, I don’t consider anyone perfect, least someone who breaks his own rules like Muhammad. Now I don’t believe in Jesus, but if the world ever saw perfection, it was him.

Muslims say they don’t worship Muhammad, but the way you present it, it looks like they do, they put him high on the pedestal and strive to be like him. If that is the case then, and what you say about him cheating is true, then it’s clear that Muhammad was not perfect and in fact can be called depraved and disingenuine.

And whats with your religion affiliation: Christian in spirit Muslim in Flesh or something like that?

I’m human in spirit and human in flesh, don’t demeen yourself and apply religious cults to your most unique traits, your flesh and spirit.
 
what is the problem with someone kissing his wife during the fast ?

what is the relation between perfect example of mohammed (pbuh) and kissing the wife ?

sorry , i just need to put my hand on the problem first 😛
 
elwill said:
i just need to put my hand on the problem first 😛
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This is the problem:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting.
سنن أبي داود:
حدثنا ‏ ‏محمد بن عيسى ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏محمد بن دينار ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏سعد بن أوس العبدي ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏مصدع أبي يحيى ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عائشة أن النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏كان ‏ ‏يقبلها وهو صائم ويمص لسانها ‏

مسند أحمد:
حدثنا ‏ ‏عفان ‏ ‏قال حدثنا ‏ ‏محمد بن دينار ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏سعد بن أوس ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏مصدع أبي يحيى الأنصاري ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عائشة ‏‏أن رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏كان ‏ ‏يقبلها وهو صائم ويمص لسانها ‏​

Honestly elwill, will you do that to your wife in this holy month?
 
elwill said:
what is the problem with someone kissing his wife during the fast ?

what is the relation between perfect example of mohammed (pbuh) and kissing the wife ?

sorry , i just need to put my hand on the problem first 😛
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Aren’t muslims to refrain from any sexual activity during ramadan?

At least that’s what I read.
 
elwill said:
what is the problem with someone kissing his wife during the fast ?

what is the relation between perfect example of mohammed (pbuh) and kissing the wife ?

sorry , i just need to put my hand on the problem first 😛
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Once a muslim friend of mine said it is a sin to swallow your own spit during Ramadan but kissing your wife is ok?
 
As an outside observer of this unending Muslim vs Christian debate that’s raging on here at the CAF forums, let me just say that the Bible has it’s fair share of sexual oddities as well.

And it came to pass after these things, that his master’s wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.
Genesis 39:8
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Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. *
Genesis 19:32

King David had eight wives, Abraham slept with his maidservant even in marriage, Jacob married both Leah and Rachel, Solomon had many wives…And psalms has many stories of men trying to, explicitly stated in the Bible, have sex with various women.

So, to be fair, both books have their fair share of abhorrent relationship practices. (I’m Glad that the Buddha didn’t allow his disciples or even monks to marry!:p)
 
Not that I’m a fan of polygamy, but in all fairness, kissing his wives during the fasting season doesn’t seem to me to be in any way breaking the fast. She is, after all, not food. Besides, we fast in order to bring ourselves closer to God, and it is my understanding that being a loving spouse is part of what pleases God and brings us closer to Him. We don’t refrain from intimate relations with our spuses during Lent, and even if we did, it is not for us to judge others. Didn’t Jesus says something to the effect of ‘he who is without sin may throw the first stone’? In other words, are we so perfect in our own lives that we may choose to judge Muslims on what they do and do not refrain from during their fasting seasons?
 
Sam_777 said:
This is the problem:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting.
سنن أبي داود:
حدثنا ‏ ‏محمد بن عيسى ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏محمد بن دينار ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏سعد بن أوس العبدي ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏مصدع أبي يحيى ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عائشة أن النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏كان ‏ ‏يقبلها وهو صائم ويمص لسانها ‏

مسند أحمد:
حدثنا ‏ ‏عفان ‏ ‏قال حدثنا ‏ ‏محمد بن دينار ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏سعد بن أوس ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏مصدع أبي يحيى الأنصاري ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عائشة ‏‏أن رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏كان ‏ ‏يقبلها وهو صائم ويمص لسانها ‏​

Honestly elwill, will you do that to your wife in this holy month?
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honestly , i never knew that mere kissing is prohibited , it’s okey to kiss your child and its okey to kiss your mom and it’s okey to kiss your wife
but it’s not okey to intercourse with her , it’s not okey to make your yourself arrive to orgasm

secondly , the prophet was fast weekly , not in ramadan only . ( at least two days weekly)

thirdly , yes when i marry insha allah , i will kiss my wife if it wasn’t prohibited .

is there any problems with christianity as an example if someone kiss his wife during fast ?
 
jakasaki said:
Aren’t muslims to refrain from any sexual activity during ramadan?

At least that’s what I read.
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Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz said:

A man may kiss, embrace and touch his wife, without having intercourse, when he is fasting. This is permissible and there is nothing wrong with it, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to kiss and touch his wives when he was fasting. But if there is the fear that he may do something that Allaah has forbidden because his desire is aroused quickly, then it is makrooh for him to do that. If he ejaculates he still should not eat or drink for the rest of the day, and he has to make up the fast, but he does not have to offer kafaarah (expiation) according to the majority of the scholars. But madhiy (prostatic fluid) does not invalidate the fast, according to the more correct of the two scholarly views, because the basic principle is that the fast remains valid, and because it is too difficult to avoid. And Allaah is the Source of strength.

Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, part 4, p. 202
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
 
elwill said:
Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz said:

A man may kiss, embrace and touch his wife, without having intercourse, when he is fasting. This is permissible and there is nothing wrong with it, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to kiss and touch his wives when he was fasting. But if there is the fear that he may do something that Allaah has forbidden because his desire is aroused quickly, then it is makrooh for him to do that. If he ejaculates he still should not eat or drink for the rest of the day, and he has to make up the fast, but he does not have to offer kafaarah (expiation) according to the majority of the scholars. But madhiy (prostatic fluid) does not invalidate the fast, according to the more correct of the two scholarly views, because the basic principle is that the fast remains valid, and because it is too difficult to avoid. And Allaah is the Source of strength.

Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, part 4, p. 202
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
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You know elwill, I was just reading the same thing on some islamic sites about this.

Thanks
 
elwill said:
honestly , i never knew that mere kissing is prohibited , it’s okey to kiss your child and its okey to kiss your mom and it’s okey to kiss your wife
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Mere kissing is okay but French kissing like what Muhammed used to do to his wife while fasting is something else, its only a mater of hours till dusk when he is allowed even to have sex with her, so he could have waited and presented a good example to follow.
 
Sam_777 said:
Mere kissing is okay but French kissing like what Muhammed used to do to his wife while fasting is something else, its only a mater of hours till dusk when he is allowed even to have sex with her, so he could have waited and presented a good example to follow.
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so frensh kissing differ than mere kissing during fasting !!!
in which relegion ?
i asked you before about kissing the wife while someone fast in christianity or judaism , is there any inform that it’s immoral or evil act ?

as a direct response for your question , i have to tell you proudly that it’s permissible in islam to kiss your wife in holy month and during the fast , and any kind of kissing
if you have problems with that , so we don’t .
 
elwill said:
so frensh kissing differ than mere kissing during fasting !!!
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Yes, mere kissing is done on the cheeks of the mother, sister, or wife, which seems acceptable during fasting.

But French kissing is done to the wife only (which accompany lust).
 
This behavior of Muhammad does not seem in keeping with the control of the passions that is so central to the idea of fasting as is understood in other faith traditions. From a page on the website of the Melkite Eparchy of Newton, here are some ideas about the motivations behind fasting that might be good for us all to consider What is written with regard to consumption of food is really applicable to all of the passions, including carnal desire.

*If we take our faith and our heritage seriously, we must include this practice of physical self-denial which was recommended and commanded by the Church Bishops in every age. It is given to us not as a punishment or a mere “practice,” hut as a tool. And the use of this tool is to assist us to gain self-mastery over our passions. And by this self-mastery, with God’s help, we gain freedom.

By limiting the amount of food we take, and the times when we eat, we curb our appetite. We do not permit our instinct to control us any longer. But we accept God’s invitation to have dominion over creation — beginning with our self. By abstaining altogether from certain classes of food simplify our life. Certainly by avoiding satiety we attain alertness in prayer and vigilance in our struggle against sin. Following the strict rule of eliminating meats and animal products from our diet is seen as a return to Paradise, where our first parents lived in harmony with Creator and creature, eating only vegetables and fruits. For it was only after the Flood that God permitted Noah and his family to eat meat. So the fast can also serve as a source of contemplation on nature our use of it, and our position as stewards in the whole scheme of God’s created world.* (source; emphases mine)
 
Sam_777 said:
This is the problem:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting.
سنن أبي داود:
حدثنا ‏ ‏محمد بن عيسى ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏محمد بن دينار ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏سعد بن أوس العبدي ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏مصدع أبي يحيى ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عائشة أن النبي ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏كان ‏ ‏يقبلها وهو صائم ويمص لسانها ‏

مسند أحمد:
حدثنا ‏ ‏عفان ‏ ‏قال حدثنا ‏ ‏محمد بن دينار ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏سعد بن أوس ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏مصدع أبي يحيى الأنصاري ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏عائشة ‏‏أن رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏كان ‏ ‏يقبلها وهو صائم ويمص لسانها ‏​

Honestly elwill, will you do that to your wife in this holy month?
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jakasaki said:
Aren’t muslims to refrain from any sexual activity during ramadan?

At least that’s what I read.
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When was the last time somebody got pregnant solely from tongue sucking? Where is the sexual activity in French kissing and only French kissing?
 
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