Is this Appropriate (Choir Questions)?

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CatholicSooner:
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You realize that in the Church, those words are synonymous with “I would like to volunteer and pay for…”
fill in the blank.

I want more organ, so "I am willing to help pay for the $50,000 clinkers it takes to get a classical music degree with a specialty in Church organ, and I am volunteering to organize and participate in music ministry in the parish. “”
Etc…

You have to be careful when you say “I don’t like…” cause the Church needs fresh initiative and the resources to pay for good stuff.
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ok?? Not sure I’m following your point
 
Liturgical excellence doesn’t happen by accident.
Musical training is expensive.
The Church needs people like you who would like to contribute to excellence with time, talent, and money.

It is good that you are concerned. And thanks in advance.
 
I think there is a point in which we just have to stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and just make sure you’re on the right path. Just don’t go to that Mass or join a parish that better fits your preferences.
 
I understand how much the solemnity of the Mass means to you. I realize you want a well trained choir doing the singing. But…as long as these men are being solemn, the quality of their singing shouldn’t be the problem. I think Christ wants to hear everyone sing no matter if they sound like Angels or geese. These are His children, too! It’s one Mass, one time. It’s to honor the Priest and God! Just my opinion but I think it’s a wonderful idea.
 
Ban them from the choir loft and have an announcement before Mass that anyone in the congregation who isn’t a professionally-trained vocalist should refrain from singing…
 
Augustine8 said:
I think there is a point in which we just have to stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and just make sure you’re on the right path
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Couldn’t agree more. I’ve always found that I’m much happier when I stop worrying about what others are doing.
 
Augustine8 said:
I think there is a point in which we just have to stop worrying about what everyone else is doing and just make sure you’re on the right path. Just don’t go to that Mass or join a parish that better fits your preferences.
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No offense, but I feel that this type of thinking is what gets the Church into the predictament where only half the Catholics know the teaching of the Divine Presence in the Eucharist and only 30% actually believe the teaching.
 
Pattylt said:
I understand how much the solemnity of the Mass means to you. I realize you want a well trained choir doing the singing. But…as long as these men are being solemn, the quality of their singing shouldn’t be the problem. I think Christ wants to hear everyone sing no matter if they sound like Angels or geese. These are His children, too! It’s one Mass, one time. It’s to honor the Priest and God! Just my opinion but I think it’s a wonderful idea.
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I disagree that it is to honor God.
And again, it isn’t about what it means to me. It is what it means to God and his sacrifice on Calvary
 
CatholicSooner said:
Not true at all. I am concerned that this goes against the rubrics of the mass and distracts from the sacrifice of the mass.
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Ok, now I’m confused and if you’d be so kind?
What part of the rubrics will they be violating? If they are performing what the choir usually performs then the only difference is they are untrained and may not sound as good. Are they making actual changes? If you stated they are, I’m sorry I missed it…so you could just direct me to these changes? Thanks.
 
One of the reasons I posted the topic is b/c I don’t know if it violates the rubrics of the mass.
But that is what I am concerned about.

My other concern is that it violates the role and purpose of the choir. And it will be a distraction to the congregation.
 
I don’t see how having them in the choir one week would violate any rubric. The choir does not fulfill any special ministerial function during mass. Technically, they are part of the congregation, nothing more.
Now, is it wise, I don’t know, that would be based on the circumstances. You are correct to be concerned about it not being any type of entertainment. The choir is there to pray and participate in mass, just like the rest of the congregation. Too many musicians want it to be a performance, as if the congregation was an audience.
 
CatholicSooner said:
What if teh priest put the Body of Jesus in a basket and passed it around for communion?
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With all due respect, there is a huge difference between a priest mishandling Holy Communion, and the Knights of Columbus being in the choir loft. As someone else said the choir is not performing a ministerial function, and they have nothing to do with the Holy Eucharist other than receiving it as normal Mass attendees.

I think most of us on the forum can tell the difference between a potential serious violation of Mass rubrics, and somebody’s personal preference. We have threads all day long from people who think that this or that choir activity or procession or clapping or whatever is a distraction at Mass and objects to it on that ground. It’s not on the same level with a sacrilege of the Body of Christ.
 
CatholicSooner said:
My other concern is that it violates the role and purpose of the choir. And it will be a distraction to the congregation.
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The role and purpose of the choir is to attend and participate in mass, just like all the other attendees. I doubt it will be a negative distraction at all.
 
In fact one might think it would be a positive distraction as people will see all the knights together, participating and it might up their membership which is never a bad thing!
 
I’ve been trying to get our Knights to sing as a choir once a month at a Mass. They just don’t want to do it. You have a bunch that want to sing! Count your blessings!!!
 
tafan2 said:
I don’t see how having them in the choir one week would violate any rubric. The choir does not fulfill any special ministerial function during mass.
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Then that begs the question…why are they there?
 
The rubrics do not specify the level of vocal or musical training for choirs.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
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CatholicSooner:
What if teh priest put the Body of Jesus in a basket and passed it around for communion?
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With all due respect, there is a huge difference between a priest mishandling Holy Communion, and the Knights of Columbus being in the choir loft. As someone else said the choir is not performing a ministerial function, and they have nothing to do with the Holy Eucharist other than receiving it as normal Mass attendees.

I think most of us on the forum can tell the difference between a potential serious violation of Mass rubrics, and somebody’s personal preference. We have threads all day long from people who think that this or that choir activity or procession or clapping or whatever is a distraction at Mass and objects to it on that ground. It’s not on the same level with a sacrilege of the Body of Christ.
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There is a big difference. But that wasn’t the purpose of the post you are quoting.
That was in direct reference to someone saying “worry about yourself. Don’t be concerned with anyone but yourself”. I think that is disingenuous and faulty logic and goes against how Catholics should behave.

Also, we do not have a choir loft. The choir is in the front side of the sanctuary. So its not just about the quality of singing, but the visual distraction as well
 
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