Is this euthanasia?

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I believe this to be euthanasia or at least very close to it. This just happened here.

An elderly woman in a nursing home, who is 101 years old, gets an upper respiratory illness. One of the sons chooses not to give her care and just let her pass. They didn’t give her an I.V. and soon she couldn’t eat. Then later she couldn’t talk, but remained restless in her bed moving around.

They didn’t take her to the hospital. They didn’t attempt to help her. Just make her “comfortable.”

The two daughters witnessed her death and said they just witnessed a beautiful thing.

I don’t get it. They have nurses all around. They could have helped her. You can’t just let someone die like that because “you feel” it’s her time. We don’t have any right to determine that.

Am I correct on this? They should have done what they could to help her some this simple respiratory illness and if it was her time, she would have passed anyway.
 
Not enough information.

It would depend on what was the lady’s condition prior to the infection.

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I believe this to be euthanasia or at least very close to it. This just happened here.

An elderly woman in a nursing home, who is 101 years old, gets an upper respiratory illness. One of the sons chooses not to give her care and just let her pass. They didn’t give her an I.V. and soon she couldn’t eat. Then later she couldn’t talk, but remained restless in her bed moving around.

They didn’t take her to the hospital. They didn’t attempt to help her. Just make her “comfortable.”

The two daughters witnessed her death and said they just witnessed a beautiful thing.

I don’t get it. They have nurses all around. They could have helped her. You can’t just let someone die like that because “you feel” it’s her time. We don’t have any right to determine that.

Am I correct on this? They should have done what they could to help her some this simple respiratory illness and if it was her time, she would have passed anyway.
No, this is definitely NOT euthanasia. Euthanasia involves the consent of the patient.
One of the reasons it is a good idea to regulate euthanasia is to avoid the kind of situations you are describing.
In the case you describe, active euthanasia with the patient’s consent would have caused the patient far less suffering. But it is imporatant that the patient, not his family, not the doctors, and not the Pope has the last say in this.
 
I don’t consider it euthanasia. To me, for it to be euthanasia they would have had of given her some sort to medication to end her life. For example: someone at the end stage of cancer and they are given an OD of morphine to cause their death. In this case they allowed nature to take it’s course. At her age she may have instructed her son that should she become ill that she was not to be given any medical treatment other than what would make her comfortable. Many of the elderly and those with terminal illness make this choice and leave it up to God to take them when He is ready.
 
No, this is definitely NOT euthanasia. Euthanasia involves the consent of the patient.
One of the reasons it is a good idea to regulate euthanasia is to avoid the kind of situations you are describing.
In the case you describe, active euthanasia with the patient’s consent would have caused the patient far less suffering. But it is imporatant that the patient, not his family, not the doctors, and not the Pope has the last say in this.
Euthanasia is MURDER.
 
She was fine prior to the infection.
To me, it was so wrong. She should have been treated for the infection and for pain. She may not have recovered but at least they would have done all they could. I do not understand how anyone can allow their loved one to and watch her suffer and call it beautiful. However, there may be more that you are unaware of.

The Church says we do not have to use extraordinary means to prolong life. For instance, reviving a person who ‘dies’ when there is no hope of recovery and the person has to be on a machine which breathes for him.
 
I believe this to be euthanasia or at least very close to it. This just happened here.

An elderly woman in a nursing home, who is 101 years old, gets an upper respiratory illness. One of the sons chooses not to give her care and just let her pass. They didn’t give her an I.V. and soon she couldn’t eat. Then later she couldn’t talk, but remained restless in her bed moving around.

They didn’t take her to the hospital. They didn’t attempt to help her. Just make her “comfortable.”

The two daughters witnessed her death and said they just witnessed a beautiful thing.

I don’t get it. They have nurses all around. They could have helped her. You can’t just let someone die like that because “you feel” it’s her time. We don’t have any right to determine that.

Am I correct on this? They should have done what they could to help her some this simple respiratory illness and if it was her time, she would have passed anyway.
The moral law of the Church states that one must always opt for life and make every reasonable attempt to preserve life.

The Church defines certain things as reasonable; therefore, they are morally mandatory.

Oxygen

Food

Water

Medications normally used in such cases (ie. antibiotics)

There are two forms of euthanasia: passive and active.

Passive euthanasia is when something can be done to preserve life or to extend life and it is not done, when there is no obstacle.

A legitimate obstacle would be if the treatment is going to aggravate the situation, if the person is going to experience more discomfort, if it is financially impossible, if the treatment is not available where one is, even though it’s available someplace else.

Active euthanasia is when one takes actions that deliberately accelerate death.

Such actions are, removing feeding tubes when there is no need to do so, removing medication, when there is no need to do so, removing water, oxygen or both, when there is no need to do so.

A means becomes extraordinary when there is certain death within a few hours or a day. The policy of certain death cannot be applied when one has a terminal illness, but there is no guarantee that one is facing imminent death. If I have incurable cancer, death is certain; but it may not be imminent. Therefore, taking away all medical care is gravely sinful and can be considered active euthanasia. The person making the decision knows the consequences of such an action.

The patient need not consent for an action to be euthanasia. The case of Terri Schiavo is a clear example. The patient did not consent. It was euthanasia, nonetheless. There was no medical reason to take away her feeding tube.

In fact, no Catholic may consent to having his life terminated in case of serious disability where he or she cannot communicate. No one has the right to terminate his life or to ask another to do so. The policy of the Church is that it is better to err on the side of life. Even if a person stops breathing or his heart stops, the moral thing to do is to try to resuscitate the patient.

Care to persons in “vegetative” state
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By euthanasia is understood an action or an omission which of itself or by intention causes death, in order that all suffering may in this way be eliminated. Euthanasia’s terms of reference, therefore, are to be found in the intention of the will and in the methods used.**

Catholic Church’s Statement on Euthanasia

We must remember that the Church never errs on matters of morals.

For more information you may contact one of the following:

Religious communities that specialize in this area:
  • Franciscan Brothers of Life
  • Franciscan Friars of the Renewal
  • Franciscan Brothers of Peace
  • Sisters of Life
Organizations that specialize in this area:
  • Priests for Life
  • USCCB
Your diocesan pro-life office.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV
 
Very sad that a simple cold or URI can take an elderly person out, thanks to not being treated. It frightens me to no end and I have told my family, “DO NOT pull any plugs, do not sign my life away!”
 
Thank you Br JR. As a new Catholic this is one area in which I didn’t know the church teaching. Thank you for educating me.
 
Thank you Br JR. As a new Catholic this is one area in which I didn’t know the church teaching. Thank you for educating me.
My religious community was founded specifically to deal with pro-life issues. Feel free to ask away.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Thanks for all the responses. When I heard this was happening, it made me quite angry. Allowing an illness, which could have been treated easily, to overcome her in order for her to pass because she is “already 101 years old” didn’t seem right to me. In fact I was ready to go over to the nursing home and stir up some commotion about it. It was my grandmothers roommate. But 5 hours after I was told about this, she passed away.

I’ve gotten into a few arguments with people about this situation with them claiming she died of natural causes and nothing wrong was committed.

Well, if I got sick and died of pneumonia, I guess I would have died of natural causes as well if no one attempted to help me right? It wouldn’t matter that I was refused care? Or is it different simply because I am young and would have a better quality of life than her? I don’t see how age is even a factor.
 
Thanks for all the responses. When I heard this was happening, it made me quite angry. Allowing an illness, which could have been treated easily, to overcome her in order for her to pass because she is “already 101 years old” didn’t seem right to me. In fact I was ready to go over to the nursing home and stir up some commotion about it. It was my grandmothers roommate. But 5 hours after I was told about this, she passed away.

I’ve gotten into a few arguments with people about this situation with them claiming she died of natural causes and nothing wrong was committed.

Well, if I got sick and died of pneumonia, I guess I would have died of natural causes as well if no one attempted to help me right? It wouldn’t matter that I was refused care? Or is it different simply because I am young and would have a better quality of life than her? I don’t see how age is even a factor.
First of all, age is never a factor.

Second, if I run in front of a speeding train and I get killed, it’s pretty natural to me. My meaning is that the phrase, “natural causes” can be stretched to the point that it gets silly.

Third, I do believe that for many of us, watching a loved one who is very sick or very old and unable to care for himself is a very painful thing. Under those circumstances, we tend to think that the best thing is to let them go. What we fail to realized is that we’re really relieving our own suffering, not necessarily that of the patient. Allowing another person to die relieves my pain, because it hurt to have to see him in such a state. The truth is that most patients can be kept quite comfortable until their time comes. We have the medicine and the technology available to do it.

Fourth, we must never forget that suffering has a redemptive value. If we deny the value of suffering, then we deny the value of the crucifixion. This does not mean that we deliberately allow another to suffer. We do the best we can to alleviate suffering, but we need not look at suffering as something that takes away from the quality of life. On the contrary, suffering is part of human dignity. To suffer with courage is far more dignified than to choose death to avoid suffering. That’s not death with dignity. That’s bailing out.

The Florida Catholic Conference of Bishops have created a Living Will for Catholics that is excellent. You may want to download, print and have it signed and saved in your doctor’s files, a copy with a loved one and a copy with your important medical information.

Living Will for Catholics

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Thanks Brother JR. Excellent insight and good advice right there. I’m going to continue to re-read that until I have it set in my head.

However, I am 22 years old so I don’t know what my family would think if I began my will already. LOL
 
Thanks Brother JR. Excellent insight and good advice right there. I’m going to continue to re-read that until I have it set in my head.

However, I am 22 years old so I don’t know what my family would think if I began my will already. LOL
Well, if you’re a guy and are single, you can join us, the Franciscans of Life. Then it would look perfectly natural to your family. 😃

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
“Deus eligit stultus”

My personal motto, “God chooses the foolish.”
 
Thanks Brother JR. Excellent insight and good advice right there. I’m going to continue to re-read that until I have it set in my head.

However, I am 22 years old so I don’t know what my family would think if I began my will already. LOL
They may be shocked and they may think it’s silly for a young person. There is nothing wrong with having a will or life insurance at any age. Even if you are single it’s a good idea to have enough life insurance to pay for a funeral should something happen to you. Young adults and children do die and the expenses can be overwhelming to the family. I don’t work for an insurance company. I lost a friend who was in her early 20’s.
 
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