Is this heretical?

[Spirithound]

you make a good point, but that doesn’t address the issue that is seems the Father knows something that the Son does not.

In His human nature, Jesus did not know “the day or the hour”, but in His divine nature, He certainly does.

 

[BlaineTog]

if you want anyone to understand what you are saying; your words have to follow the law of noncontradition. Just by typing your response you have already proven that point.

Yes, but they don’t have to. It isn’t literally impossible to create formulations of words which have no meaning to convey because the don’t follow the law of noncontradiction. That’s what those “Can God cannot?” questions are.

 

[JTBT]

Yes, but they don’t have to. It isn’t literally impossible to create formulations of words which have no meaning to convey because the don’t follow the law of noncontradiction. That’s what those “Can God cannot?” questions are.

I disagree, all these questions ask is does God’s nature hold to the law of noncontradiction. the statements themselves still convey meaning. I personally think that the only limits on God are self imposed (ie the word became flesh) and that is what we are really discussing here. that is has God limited his foreknowledge to give us free will?

 

[JTBT]

If God is outside of time there can be no before or after. I do not see any teaching which is contrary to the Church so I see no heresy?

I like it, I’ll have to give this one some thought.

 

[BlaineTog]

I disagree, all these questions ask is does God’s nature hold to the law of noncontradiction. the statements themselves still convey meaning.

No they don’t. The actions they describe are impossible to imagine, just like it is impossible to imagine entering a room and not entering a room at the same time. Sentences that convey something impossible to imagine have no meaning, necessarily. They are just as much nonsense as “Flibberty gibbit,” probably more, if anything.

I personally think that the only limits on God are self imposed (ie the word became flesh) and that is what we are really discussing here. that is has God limited his foreknowledge to give us free will?

No. Why would he?

 

[Philthy]

In His human nature, Jesus did not know “the day or the hour”, but in His divine nature, He certainly does.

So at the time he made the statement was he 100% humand and 100% divine or wasnt he? Careful! Now we’re getting close to a heretical statement…

 

[Spirithound]

So at the time he made the statement was he 100% humand and 100% divine or wasnt he? Careful! Now we’re getting close to a heretical statement…

Sure He was, and I disagree that this is close to heresy, Many smarter and holier people than I have said that at certain times the divine knowledge of God the Son was suppressed to some degree.

 

[JTBT]

Sure He was, and I disagree that this is close to heresy, Many smarter and holier people than I have said that at certain times the divine knowledge of God the Son was suppressed to some degree.

so when the Son’s foreknowledge is limited is doesn’t undermine his Omnscience. Why could the same not be said about the Father.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

so when the Son’s foreknowledge is limited is doesn’t undermine his Omnscience. Why could the same not be said about the Father.

To be omniscience is not to be human, thus 100% human and omniscience is a mystery to men. Our inability to understand is not God’s inability to exist.

 

[JTBT]

To be omniscience is not to be human, thus 100% human and omniscience is a mystery to men. Our inability to understand is not God’s inability to exist.

I’m NOT saying that God doesn’t exist, I assume with agree on that matter. the discussion is on the nature of his onmiscience.I would like to know what the Catholic Church teaches offically.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

I am alittle lost Catholics have the catechism are you fimiliar with that?
I notice you have a Baptist signature, yet I think Baptist recognize the same in this subject

234
The mystery of the Most Holy Trinity is the central mystery of Christian faith and life. It is the mystery of God in himself. It is therefore the source of all the other mysteries of faith, the light that enlightens them. It is the most fundamental and essential teaching in the "hierarchy of the truths of faith."56 The whole history of salvation is identical with the history of the way and the means by which the one true God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, reveals himself to men "and reconciles and unites with himself those who turn away from sin."57

This plus more offical Church teaching
usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt1art1p2.htm#232

please reread my post after reading the catechism section if you have more questions we can review them later

 

[JTBT]

I am alittle lost Catholics have the catechism are you fimiliar with that?
I notice you have a Baptist signature, yet I think Baptist recognize the same in this subject

thats right Baptist (for the most part) do hold to the same thing you have posted. I just think it is a interesting subject to speculate about, I don’t think we will know the depth of this mystery in this lifetime.