Is this Mary Worship?

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Read “True Devotion to Mary” by St. Louis de Monfort and you’ll see how consecrations like in the OP are totally Christ-centered and why someone might want to consecrate to Mary rather than Jesus directly. 👍

Here it is online: ewtn.com/library/Montfort/truedevo.htm
 
JOL
My Queen, my Mother, I give myself entirely to you, and to show my devotion to you, I consecrate to you this day my eyes, my ears, my mouth, my heart, my entire self without reserve. As I am your own, my good Mother, guard me and defend me as your property and possession. Amen.
I love my wife very, very much. I have given myself entirely to her as she has to me, all of me. My eyes, my ears, my mouth, my heart, my entire self without reserve belong to my wife just as she belongs to me. I will guard her and defend her as my property and possession. Do I worship my wife or does she worship me? I can say that this is a form of worship, inferior as it may be, but not the worship (latria) that I give to God alone. I don’t look at my wife as God nor does she look at me as God either. So actually I see nothing wrong with this prayer. If I say that I give all of my love to my wife, would that mean that I don’t love my son? Of course not, love knows no bounds. I can love my wife with all my heart. I can love my son with all my heart. I can love Mary with all my heart and I can love God with all my heart. It’s not a certain percentage to each.
this prayer seems to overboard for me.
Do not be afraid to give yourself entirely to Mary. That does not mean that we push God aside or that we treat Mary as God. We can give ourselves entirely to God and to Our Blessed Mother.

God Bless you and hurry back to Jesus in the Eucharist.
 
I think I will just omit this particular prayer from my prayer life.
I think that’s a sensible response.

Along these same lines, you may find interesting certain remarks by Abbot Marmion about the devotional writings of Saint Grignon de Montfort.

Now, Marmion’s books (such as Christ, the Life of the Soul) have been praised by more than one pope for their orthodoxy. And yet for Marmion, de Montfort’s Marian devotion (which involves consecrating oneself to Mary, and going to Jesus through Mary) was “exaggerated” (although he did not condemn it for those attracted to it).

In a letter to a Carmelite nun written in 1906, Marmion states:

“I know The Secret of Mary by Blessed Grignon de Montfort. For certain souls, drawn to it by grace, this devotion is doubtless fruitful and sanctifying. But for that it needs to be attracted to it by the grace of the Holy Spirit. As for myself, I have tried it, but it rather had the effect of giving me distractions. Father Faber says of himself, that in the beginning, he felt a strong repulsion for this devotion, but that, afterwards, he obtained the grace to practice it with great consolation and benefit for his soul. In practice, I do not use it for myself, I go to God through Jesus, and Mary helps me to know her Son and to go to Him. As for others who have an attraction for it, I encourage them, for this devotion was propagated by a Saint, and it seems to us exaggerated perhaps because we are not yet at the diapason * of holiness. Try to arrive at a great humility by the spirit of adoration and reverence towards God, and all the rest will be added unto you” (Union with God According to the Letters of Direction of Dom Marmion, p. 202-203 n.3)

In short, it seems to me that your response to the prayer you quoted is not unlike Marmion’s response to de Montfort.*
 
Do you love someone?

How many guys talk about the love of their life? About if she died, he would die in agony without her? How he worshipped her and loved her more than food and water?

It is the language of love. Of course when someone not in love reads about Romeo and Juliet, they just shake their head and think it’s terribly sad that two people would die over something as typical as feuding families.
 
It helps to know the context of the prayer in question: for example, in previous times, flowery language was quite common, though it sounds excessive to our current tastes in literature and prose.

I am thinking here of Elizabeth Browning’s poem that you will probably be familiar with: “How do I love thee, let me count the ways…”. It was written to her husband. Am I to conclude that Elizabeth Browning worshipped her husband as God? No, she was speaking the language of love (a very important element to keep in mind when contemplating Marian devotion), and speaking in the style of her time.

The Catholic Church, aware of such changes in taste and perspective, has wisely used unchanging Latin terms to denote the difference in devotion: “Latria” is worship due God alone. “Dulia” is the devotion and veneration given to the saints. “Hyper-dulia” is the term used for devotion for Mary, the most perfect creature God created.

I hope that helps.
Great explanation…

JOL,

If you’re uncomfortable with a certain prayer or devotion just don’t use it. You CAN’T be forced to worship something if you say you don’t. You can’t be “tricked” into worshipping a sun god or Mary or any other manner of being. If you just worship God, then you just worship God. Loving Mary as the Theotokos, and 1st Apostle is fine, Jesus commanded it when he gave us His mother on the Cross.

I worship God in the Mass and in my prayers. I ask Mary to pray for me, I say the rosary as I meditate on the mysteries. I am worshipping God not Mary. But I’m Catholic so communion of Saints is something I believe in. Mary, St. Patrick, St Francis of Assisi, me, your Parish priest, your loved ones saved in purgatory are all part of one Church, so remember the prayers of the righteous availeth much, and who is more righteous than Mary and the Saints? Why not ask them to pray for you?
 
Hello JOL…

One bit of confusion between Catholics and protestants is the fact that we have too different styles of worship. If you were to ask a fundamentalist how he worships God, he might say praying, singing and fellowshipping, praying being the upmost form of worship for Protestants…reserved only for God.

Catholics pray, sing, fellowship and Sacrifice (the Eucharist…the one and only eternal and perfect sacrifice)…and the sacrificial aspect of worship is the upmost form of worship… reserved only for God.

This is why some people do not understand…and are even offended when they see Catholics praying to Saints…that is their upmost form of Worship!

Yeah…the words in that prayer are really flowery…not for me either. Now, if you ever see someone Sacrificing to the Virgin Mary…well…that would be a truely bad Heresy!
 
Hello everyone!

Is this Mary Worship?

My Queen, my Mother, I give myself entirely to you, and to show my devotion to you, I consecrate to you this day my eyes, my ears, my mouth, my heart, my entire self without reserve. As I am your own, my good Mother, guard me and defend me as your property and possession. Amen.

I really want to understand as I am seriously contemplating becoming a revert. I feel the Holy Spirit calling me deep in my conscience, but, I just want to make sure. Thanks for your help!!

JOL
I’m not quite sure where this practice (consecration to the heart of Mary) originates, but as far as I know St. Louis de Montfort’s Treatise on True Devotion is considered the basis for such devotion. I disagree with much of what St De Montfort asserts, for me his work runs very close to a line that should never be crossed. However despite his intense Marian devotion he begins his work with a statement that we should all keep in mind, regardless of our level of devotion to Our Lady.
With the whole Church I acknowledge that Mary, being a mere creature fashioned by the hands of God is, compared to his infinite majesty, less than an atom, or rather is simply nothing, since he alone can say, “I am he who is”. Consequently, this great Lord, who is ever independent and self-sufficient, never had and does not now have any absolute need of the Blessed Virgin for the accomplishment of his will and the manifestation of his glory. To do all things he has only to will them
The purpose of Marian devotion is to draw us closer to Jesus, if at any time such devotion ceases to do this it becomes idolatry.

God bless.
Levi.
 
Hello JOL…

One bit of confusion between Catholics and protestants is the fact that we have too different styles of worship. If you were to ask a fundamentalist how he worships God, he might say praying, singing and fellowshipping, praying being the upmost form of worship for Protestants…reserved only for God.

Catholics pray, sing, fellowship and Sacrifice (the Eucharist…the one and only eternal and perfect sacrifice)…and the sacrificial aspect of worship is the upmost form of worship… reserved only for God.

This is why some people do not understand…and are even offended when they see Catholics praying to Saints…that is their upmost form of Worship!

Yeah…the words in that prayer are really flowery…not for me either. Now, if you ever see someone Sacrificing to the Virgin Mary…well…that would be a truely bad Heresy!
Lillith -

Thank you so much for this post, I found it a great help! I am a new Catholic having converted from Evangelicalism, and your insight helped explain my own psychological queasiness when it comes to the Marian question and my lack of assuredness when attempting to defend the Church’s teachings.

Intellectually, I completely am convinced of the logic of the Marian doctrines of the Church, but psychologically I have been struggling with the fervor of some of those who are completely devoted to her, and now I understand why for the first time. I have been in my own heart confusing devotion and worship because of the way I was raised and what I was taught about what it meant to worship God. I am undergoing the process of renewing my mind (from my old Protestant way of thinking) as St. Paul discusses, only I didn’t realize how much really still had to be renewed! It has truly been a breakthrough for me!

Bless you!😃
 
Ditto with HailMary’s response in post #19.

The word “adore” is reserved in theological discussions for the worship of God.

This might confuse some Protestants when they read post #2.
 
Imagine you read about a man who was deeply in love with his wife and wrote her the following note:
My Queen, my Wife, I give myself entirely to you, and to show my devotion to you, I consecrate to you this day my eyes, my ears, my mouth, my heart, my entire self without reserve. As I am your own, my good spouse, guard me and defend me as your property and possession.
Your Husband.
Would you think that the man was deifing his wife, or that he was deeply in love?

Most would consider it a sweet, poetic expression of love. If it would be such between a husband and a wife, why not between ourselves and our Heavenly Mother?

Could we possibly love Mary more than Christ Himself does?
 
I second Brendan’s post. That is the way I eventually came to understand it. 🙂

There is a feeling among Protestants (one that I too had to overcome) that such love and devotion toward Mary is inappropriate and that such love should only be given to God. But I can say with perfect certainty that I am more in love and more devoted to my own earthly husband than I could imagine even the most devout Catholic being with Mary. If that is a good and wonderful thing between husband and wife than how can it be inappropriate with our own Savior’s Mother?
 
Depends what you mean by worship. In some form of the Marriage Rite (Use of Sarum, maybe?) each spouse says to the other (or maybe the groom says it to the bride, I’m not sure), “With my body I thee worship.”

Which is beautiful, I just noticed.

Anyway, I’ve seen Chesterton and Belloc use the word worship to describe the veneration of saints and Mary, and obviously they didn’t mean of the same kind as God. Belloc would have sneered at you, and Chesterton would have gently corrected you, if you had made that assumption.

And in Japanese, any festivity whatsoever, even the beetle-catching on Boys’ Day, is called a worship (matsuri, the gerund form of the verb matsuru, to worship). But Japanese Christians, who are rather more awake to the dangers of syncretism than most Westerners, don’t have a problem with Boys’ Day or even the Fire Festival.

But anyway, no, that prayer doesn’t seem like worship to me. It looks like a vow of devotion. John Paul II’s devotion to the Virgin was centered on the phrase Totus Tuus, which means “Entirely Yours”. That’s much the same feeling.
Good explanation there, though if I might correct you…
The Boy’s Festival is now the Children’s Festival (on May 5).
I don’t know if they catch insects during this day; It’s more common during Summer (June to September here)
I don’t know about Fire Festival, but Children’s day is a secular holiday, So that’s probably the reason that Japanese Christians are okay with it. 😃
There are 3 Matsurus, but only two of them has any connotations of ‘worship’.
One is the Matsuru you cite (The Matsuri on Matsuri), 祭る. It means to deify or to enshrine.
The other Matsuru (奉る)means to offer; to present; to revere; to do respectfully (Not necessarily connected to divinity).
The Japanese term for ‘worship’ (in the Christian sense) is Reihai (n, vs) {礼拝}. Raihai is another reading of this word, though this reading is usually used for Buddhism or Shinto worship. So, perhaps, (correct me if i’m wrong) ‘to worship’ is ‘reihai suru’. If you say ‘Matsuri’ here, people will think of festival instead.

I repeat, That is a nice explanation there. If you ever come here, Japanese people will be impressed. May God bless You! 👍

Back to the topic,
JOL, There’s nothing wrong with that prayer. As others pointed out, The language used is hyperbolic.
But of course, it’s your decision if you want to pray that prayer or not. But I suggest that you do. It’s one good prayer to Mary, (besides the Hail Mary, of course).

May God lead you back here in the Rock! 👍
 
Lillith -

Thank you so much for this post, I found it a great help! I am a new Catholic having converted from Evangelicalism, and your insight helped explain my own psychological queasiness when it comes to the Marian question and my lack of assuredness when attempting to defend the Church’s teachings.
Bless you!😃
I am so terribly thrilled that I helped you! It made my day. Get a hold of God’s Plan of Salvation…it is a taped series by Dr. Scott Hahn, and you can get this series right here…on CA…a gem for sure, for a very deceivably low price…I’ll quit now…I’m sounding like a commercial…

God Bless you sister friend,
Teresa
 
I am so terribly thrilled that I helped you! It made my day. Get a hold of God’s Plan of Salvation…it is a taped series by Dr. Scott Hahn, and you can get this series right here…on CA…a gem for sure, for a very deceivably low price…I’ll quit now…I’m sounding like a commercial…

God Bless you sister friend,
Teresa
Teresa-

Thank you for the suggestions, although I think I have just about everything of Hahn’s you can get. I’m sure I have been over this subject time and again, but sometimes it’s perhaps in the way something is worded that it hits you just right, and that’s what happened with your post. All the pieces came together in one special moment when my mind was in a place to get ahold of it! I slept better last night too!😃

Thanks again!
Jeanette
 
Hello everyone!

Is this Mary Worship?

My Queen, my Mother, I give myself entirely to you, and to show my devotion to you, I consecrate to you this day my eyes, my ears, my mouth, my heart, my entire self without reserve. As I am your own, my good Mother, guard me and defend me as your property and possession. Amen.

I really want to understand as I am seriously contemplating becoming a revert. I feel the Holy Spirit calling me deep in my conscience, but, I just want to make sure. Thanks for your help!!

JOL
I personally hate that prayer. It is a little overboard. But what is important is the intent of the person who prays the prayer. We are to love Mary and the saints but it is entirely for Gods sake that we love them. When we show our love for them we are doing this because they are the perfect image and likeness of Christ and of God. They have been divinized by Christ. So when we honor Mary, we honor her in as much as she is the image and likeness of God. In other words we are honoring God.
 
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