Is this proper?

[StCsDavid]

I visited a parish this last Sunday, and after the usual prayers of the faithful, the priest asked everyone to kneel and as a congregation we prayed for our departed using an Our Father, Hail Mary, and a prayer for the dead. I wasn’t offended by this, but I wondered if it was all together correct to do this?

 

[mommyof4]

I visited a parish this last Sunday, and after the usual prayers of the faithful, the priest asked everyone to kneel and as a congregation we prayed for our departed using an Our Father, Hail Mary, and a prayer for the dead. I wasn’t offended by this, but I wondered if it was all together correct to do this?

No idea, but I like the idea.

 

[1ke]

We pray for the Holy Souls in Purgatory the entire month of November-- but we pray before the start of Mass, not during the Prayers of the Faithful.

 

[mommyof4]

We pray for the Holy Souls in Purgatory the entire month of November-- but we pray before the start of Mass, not during the Prayers of the Faithful.

Yea, but most people don’t get there until the priest is walking down the aisle and they’re running to get out the minute the mass is over!

 

[piusphilistine]

I visited a parish this last Sunday, and after the usual prayers of the faithful, the priest asked everyone to kneel and as a congregation we prayed for our departed using an Our Father, Hail Mary, and a prayer for the dead. I wasn’t offended by this, but I wondered if it was all together correct to do this?

Let’s get techie for a moment…

First, the posture of kneeling is not specificed by the GIRM or any other document that I am aware of for that part of the Mass. That would be a no-no.

Second, neither the Lord’s Prayer, Hail Mary or a prayer for the dead are specificed by the GIRM as being part of the Mass. That said, some priests do interject them in the form of a prayer for the faithful which makes it all the more difficult to really know if it’s an acceptable practice – Fr. Miguel does it all the time on EWTN with the Hail Mary.

Both seem to be unauthorized additions to the Mass – a situation where an individual priest appears to feel he knows more than the Church.

 

[LilyM]

Let’s get techie for a moment…

First, the posture of kneeling is not specificed by the GIRM or any other document that I am aware of for that part of the Mass. That would be a no-no.

Second, neither the Lord’s Prayer, Hail Mary or a prayer for the dead are specificed by the GIRM as being part of the Mass. That said, some priests do interject them in the form of a prayer for the faithful which makes it all the more difficult to really know if it’s an acceptable practice – Fr. Miguel does it all the time on EWTN with the Hail Mary.

Both seem to be unauthorized additions to the Mass – a situation where an individual priest appears to feel he knows more than the Church.

The Lord’s Prayer not a part of the Mass??? So that little prayer we say in the NO just before the Sign of Peace shouldn’t be there?

 

[StCsDavid]

Let’s get techie for a moment…

First, the posture of kneeling is not specificed by the GIRM or any other document that I am aware of for that part of the Mass. That would be a no-no.

Second, neither the Lord’s Prayer, Hail Mary or a prayer for the dead are specificed by the GIRM as being part of the Mass. That said, some priests do interject them in the form of a prayer for the faithful which makes it all the more difficult to really know if it’s an acceptable practice – Fr. Miguel does it all the time on EWTN with the Hail Mary.

Both seem to be unauthorized additions to the Mass – a situation where an individual priest appears to feel he knows more than the Church.

That’s what was kind of bugging me. The addition to the mass. I thought the sentiment was nice, but I would prefer to do it outside of the mass. At least he didn’t do anything weird. I mean an extra Our Father never hurt anyone. I’ve been to other masses where the priest made up his own Eucharistic prayer or made the creed gender neutral. Grrrr.

 

[piusphilistine]

The Lord’s Prayer not a part of the Mass??? So that little prayer we say in the NO just before the Sign of Peace shouldn’t be there?

Sorry – not part of the Mass at that point.

 

[piusphilistine]

That’s what was kind of bugging me. The addition to the mass. I thought the sentiment was nice, but I would prefer to do it outside of the mass. At least he didn’t do anything weird. I mean an extra Our Father never hurt anyone. I’ve been to other masses where the priest made up his own Eucharistic prayer or made the creed gender neutral. Grrrr.

That’s quite true. We could add-in another45 minutes of devotions and it would not make the Mass “better” – it would detract from it

We justneed to follow the Church’s instructions.

 

[bpbasilphx]

The Lord’s Prayer not a part of the Mass???

Yes, it is, but its proper time is after the Eucharistic Prayer and before Communion.

 

[japhy]

One thing to note, however, is that the Prayer of the Faithful is the least described part of Mass in the Sacramentary.

 

[grandfather]

Let’s get techie for a moment…

First, the posture of kneeling is not specificed by the GIRM or any other document that I am aware of for that part of the Mass. That would be a no-no.

Second, neither the Lord’s Prayer, Hail Mary or a prayer for the dead are specificed by the GIRM as being part of the Mass. That said, some priests do interject them in the form of a prayer for the faithful which makes it all the more difficult to really know if it’s an acceptable practice – Fr. Miguel does it all the time on EWTN with the Hail Mary.

Both seem to be unauthorized additions to the Mass – a situation where an individual priest appears to feel he knows more than the Church.

Gnat strainers and camel swallowers arise.

 

[benedictgal]

Let’s get techie for a moment…

First, the posture of kneeling is not specificed by the GIRM or any other document that I am aware of for that part of the Mass. That would be a no-no.

Second, neither the Lord’s Prayer, Hail Mary or a prayer for the dead are specificed by the GIRM as being part of the Mass. That said, some priests do interject them in the form of a prayer for the faithful which makes it all the more difficult to really know if it’s an acceptable practice – Fr. Miguel does it all the time on EWTN with the Hail Mary.

Both seem to be unauthorized additions to the Mass – a situation where an individual priest appears to feel he knows more than the Church.

I find it rather odd that you can be so technical here, as opposed to the thread that you started. But, on to the issue at hand.

Now, there is an appropriate place within the Mass for this to occur. It is done after the Post-Communion prayer, just before the final blessing. If you have watched EWTN long enough to catch a Papal Mass, Pope Benedict XVI inserts his Angelus prayer after the Post-Communion Prayer, again, just before the final blessing. In fact, that is what he did this past Sunday (he also did this during World Youth Day as well as other Masses he celebrates that fall on a Sunday). I am awaiting your challenge to the Holy Father on this one. It should prove interesting. After all, for all practical purposes, he is the chief liturgist of the Church.

Many celebrants will make parish announcements after the Post-Communion Prayer. The priest at my old parish does this, and, he, too, prays for the infirmed of the parish, during this time. My PV (parochial vicar) also makes announcements after the Post Communion prayer, before the final blessing.

 

[benedictgal]

That’s quite true. We could add-in another45 minutes of devotions and it would not make the Mass “better” – it would detract from it

We justneed to follow the Church’s instructions.

This is the point that we have been trying to make in the thread you started.

Now, regarding the changing of the words of the Eucharistic prayer, a celebrant who does this treads on very dangerous waters, especially where the words of the Institution Narrative are concerned. These must be the exact same words as listed in the Roman Missal (Sacramentary). If the exact wording is not used, then the celebrant runs the risk of invalidating the Mass. Any deviation of the rest of the Eucharistic Prayer is illicit, as is the changing of the words of the Creed and other immovable prayers of the Mass.

While there are things were the celebrant can use “these or similar words”, it is best to follow the sage advise that newly created Texan Cardinal DiNardo said, “Read the black, do the red.”

To the poster who said that the General Intentios were the least described section of the Roman Missal (Sacramentary), that is very true However, common sense has to rule. It is better to move the extra prayers, if they need to be recited, to after the Post Communion prayer, as the Holy Father does when he prays the Angelus.

 

[quiet52]

I visited a parish this last Sunday, and after the usual prayers of the faithful, the priest asked everyone to kneel and as a congregation we prayed for our departed using an Our Father, Hail Mary, and a prayer for the dead. I wasn’t offended by this, but I wondered if it was all together correct to do this?

It seems to me that your pastor believes his prayer for the dead during the Eucharistic prayer is inadequate? Why would we pray for those who have passed twice during a mass? One of my former pastors always allowed a very appropriate pause after praying for the dead during the Eucharistic prayer – his deliberate pause helped me to truly pray in earnest for my deceased love ones and for the souls in purgatory.

Eucharistic Prayer I:
“Remember, Lord, those who have died and have gone before us marked with the sign of faith, especially those for whom we now pray, N. and N. May these, and all who sleep in Christ, find in your presence light, happiness, and peace…”

Eucharistic Prayer II:
"Remember our brothesr and sisters who have gone to their rest in the hope of rising again; bring them and all the departed into the light of your presence. Have mercy on us all; make us worthy to share eternal life … "

Eucharistic Prayer III:
“Welcome into your kingdom our departed brothers and sisters, and all who have left this world in your friendship. We hope to enjoy forever the vision of your glory, through Christ our Lord, from whom all good things come.”

Eucharistic Prayer IV:
“Remember those who have died in the peace of Christ and all the dead whose faith is known to you alone…”