Is this still a legitimate mass?

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Remember that the liturgies of various Eastern Catholic Rites, which are equally as valid as a Mass celebrated according to the Latin Catholic Rite, will often have different calendars entirely, and almost certainly different readings on any given Sunday.

So, frequently, will masses of the Extraordinary Form of the Latin Rite, which also uses a different calendar and a one-year as opposed to three-year lectionary of Sunday readings.

So you should be fine attending your retreat Mass.
 
malphono said:
I wouldn’t sweat this one. Which readings are used could have a bearing on the liceity (not the validity) of the Mass, but so can a variety of other things. The short version is, if,in good faith, one attends a Mass that is properly scheduled as a Sunday (or Holy Day) Mass, the “obligation” is met. Liceity doesn’t affect that.
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I’ve always wondered about this… what is the difference between “liceity” and validity?
 
cctabb said:
I just wanted to jump in here and add something.

When you said the priest may change the readings I assumed that you meant he changes them to reflect the common formula. They still need to be 3 and one from the Gospel.

If you end up with only 1 or 2 and no Gospel then I’d seriously consider finding an afternoon mass with a different priest.
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This is misleading. The only things required for a valid Mass are the following:

(1) A valid minister (i.e. a Priest or Bishop);
(2) Valid matter (pure wheat bread and pure grape wine).
(3) Valid form ( The words : “This is my body” and “This is … my blood.”
(4) The priests intent to do what the Church does (confect the Eucharist).

If those four things are accomplished, the Eucharist is valid and the Mass is valid. In short, the priest has to go way out of his way to say an invalid Mass.

If the priest wears his pajama bottoms, an Eagles: Hell Freezes Over tour t-shirt and no vestments, the Mass is still valid, though illicit. If the priest skips the readings, the Mass is illicit but valid. If there are 100 readings and 57 gospels, the mass is illicit but valid. If the priest skips the Our Father, the Mass is illicit but valid. If the priest substitutes the Nicene Creed with the “We Remember. We Celebrate. We Believe.” the Mass is illicit but valid and fulfills the Sunday obligation.

I wish the forum moderator would leave a sticky about what invalidates the Mass. This is probably the most asked question on this forum.
 
PacoG said:
If the priest wears his pajama bottoms, an Eagles: Hell Freezes Over tour t-shirt and no vestments, the Mass is still valid, though illicit. If the priest skips the readings, the Mass is illicit but valid. If there are 100 readings and 57 gospels, the mass is illicit but valid. If the priest skips the Our Father, the Mass is illicit but valid. If the priest substitutes the Nicene Creed with the “We Remember. We Celebrate. We Believe.” the Mass is illicit but valid and fulfills the Sunday obligation.

I wish the forum moderator would leave a sticky about what invalidates the Mass. This is probably the most asked question on this forum.
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pcg2 said:
Hi

I am on a retreat team at my college. During the first retreat in fall quarter, the priest chose to do a mass with readings that he chose - not the readings specified by the Church. For this upcoming retreat, I am not sure if this is going to be happening again.

Although the priest may be choosing his own mass readings, is this mass still legitimate? Is it valid? My main question is this: Does it fulfill the sunday obligation?

Thank you 🙂
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pcg2:

Here’s what the GIRM (General Instruction usccb.org/liturgy/current/chapter7.shtml ) has to say in #358:

In Masses with special groups, the priest is allowed to choose texts more suited to the particular celebration, provided they are taken from the texts of an approved lectionary.

I think that’s pretty clear. So long as the texts chosen by the priest came from an “approved lectionary” what happened was fine.
 
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