Is this still licit or valid?

[Jguerra]

I have no problem receiving the consecrated host at Holy Communion. What concerns me are the words at the consecration of the wine into the Precious Blood. At the very end, the priest closes the act of consecration not with “Do this in memory of me,” but with “When you do this, remember me.”

I hope I am wrong but I have a feeling the Precious Blood was not properly confected.

Your (name removed by moderator)ut appreciated. Private messages welcome.

Joe

 

[Newbie2]

Seems valid.

I’d suggest asking the priest about the variation in the wording.

 

[Deacon_Ed]

The consecration is valid as long as the necessary words (this is my blood) have been said by a priest with the right intention. What you have seen is, in fact, a liturgical no-no, but has nothing to do with the validity of the consecration.

Deacon Ed

 

[Jguerra]

I’d suggest asking the priest about the variation in the wording.

It’s a delicate line I tread. He’s also my wife’s boss. I do look forward though, to the associate pastor’s Masses. Orthodoxy all the way. Trouble is, the weekend schedule of who is hearing confessions and celebrating which Mass is not known, even to the church secretary.

Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.

 

[Jguerra]

What you have seen is, in fact, a liturgical no-no, but has nothing to do with the validity of the consecration.

Deacon Ed

Thank you Dcn Ed. It has been brought to the chancery’s attention once before and it was corrected–for awhile.

 

[benedictgal]

Jguerra, this is what Redemptionis Sacramentum has to say on the issue you raised:

. The Eucharistic Prayer
[51.] Only those Eucharistic Prayers are to be used which are found in the Roman Missal or are legitimately approved by the Apostolic See, and according to the manner and the terms set forth by it. "It is not to be tolerated that some Priests take upon themselves the right to compose their own Eucharistic Prayers"129 ***or to change the same texts approved by the Church, ***or to introduce others composed by private individuals.130

Now, granted, from your post, the priest is saying “This is my body…This is my blood”, he still does not have the right to change any part of the Eucharistic Prayer or the Mass, for that matter, based on his own personal idiosyncracies.

Furthermore, towards the beginning of the document, Redemptionis Sacramentum states that:

[10.] The Church herself has no power over those things which were established by Christ Himself and which constitute an unchangeable part of the Liturgy.23 Indeed, if the bond were to be broken which the Sacraments have with Christ Himself who instituted them, and with the events of the Church’s founding,24 it would not be beneficial to the faithful but rather would do them grave harm. For the Sacred Liturgy is quite intimately connected with principles of doctrine,25 so that the use of unapproved texts and rites necessarily leads either to the attenuation or to the disappearance of that necessary link between the lex orandi and the lex credendi.26

[11.] The Mystery of the Eucharist “is too great for anyone to permit himself to treat it according to his own whim, so that its sacredness and its universal ordering would be obscured”.27 On the contrary, anyone who acts thus by giving free rein to his own inclinations, even if he is a Priest, injures the substantial unity of the Roman Rite, which ought to be vigorously preserved,28 and becomes responsible for actions that are in no way consistent with the hunger and thirst for the living God that is experienced by the people today. Nor do such actions serve authentic pastoral care or proper liturgical renewal; instead, they deprive Christ’s faithful of their patrimony and their heritage. For arbitrary actions are not conducive to true renewal,29 but are detrimental to the right of Christ’s faithful to a liturgical celebration that is an expression of the Church’s life in accordance with her tradition and discipline. In the end, they introduce elements of distortion and disharmony into the very celebration of the Eucharist, which is oriented in its own lofty way and by its very nature to signifying and wondrously bringing about the communion of divine life and the unity of the People of God.30 The result is uncertainty in matters of doctrine, perplexity and scandal on the part of the People of God, and, almost as a necessary consequence, vigorous opposition, all of which greatly confuse and sadden many of Christ’s faithful in this age of ours when Christian life is often particularly difficult on account of the inroads of “secularization” as well.31

[12.] On the contrary, it is the right of all of Christ’s faithful that the Liturgy, and in particular the celebration of Holy Mass, should truly be as the Church wishes, according to her stipulations as prescribed in the liturgical books and in the other laws and norms. Likewise, the Catholic people have the right that the Sacrifice of the Holy Mass should be celebrated for them in an integral manner, according to the entire doctrine of the Church’s Magisterium. Finally, it is the Catholic community’s right that the celebration of the Most Holy Eucharist should be carried out for it in such a manner that it truly stands out as a sacrament of unity, to the exclusion of all blemishes and actions that might engender divisions and factions in the Church.32

I hope that this you.

 

[Lux_et_Tenebrae]

It’s a delicate line I tread. He’s also my wife’s boss. I do look forward though, to the associate pastor’s Masses. Orthodoxy all the way. Trouble is, the weekend schedule of who is hearing confessions and celebrating which Mass is not known, even to the church secretary.

Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut.

Hi,

With the boss problem (or for that matter–respecting your pastor) in mind, this sure is a fine line. I really sympathize and feel for you, especially when you are not even free to choose to attend another Mass. This certainly is an abuse, but does not invalidate the consecration, as was said. We once had a priest who added “who were also His friends”, every time the word “disciples” was mentioned. Bad enough at other parts, but He also did it during the consecration. It is very distracting----like fingernails on our spiritual blackboard. I really can’t understand why priests do this.

Remember any error is on his part, and try not to get so caught up in this that it detracts from your Mass. It was addressed, and then relaxed again. I doubt more will be done, but you could call or write, if you feel it is necessary, and/or may help. This is probably not the best idea, if your wife continues working for him.

Since he is your pastor, try not to be disrespectful in speaking of him. I personally would try to ignore the situation, especially in speaking to other parishioners. (notice I said “try” )

Pray for him—this is definitely a prideful thing, especially if it was brought to his attention. Perhaps you can offer up your annoyance.

Lux

 

[Jguerra]

Jguerra, this is what Redemptionis Sacramentum has to say on the issue you raised:
I hope that this you.

Thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut.
Joe

 

[Jguerra]

Hi,

Since he is your pastor, try not to be disrespectful in speaking of him. I personally would try to ignore the situation, especially in speaking to other parishioners. (notice I said “try” )

Pray for him—this is definitely a prideful thing, especially if it was brought to his attention. Perhaps you can offer up your annoyance.

Lux

Thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut.
Joe