Is this the beginning of the end for communion in the hand?

[Eilish_Maura]

And this for you:

franciscan-archive.org/apologetica/tongue.html

A flaw in offering that article is that it is from the position of trying to prove receiving in the hand was never universal.

No one has said it was ever universal - simply that it was at one time a traditional practice within the church and an acceptable one.

 

[piouswoman]

I didn’t realize I was being stubborn and fighting the proper way to receive our Lord, by receiving it by hand. I am very reverent when the time comes, and my hands are clean. It seems more natural to take it by hand than by tongue, since I’m not an infant being spoon-fed. I don’t mean any disrespect, but do wonder if people aren’t hung up on rules sometimes, sort of like the Pharisees were, and doing it for show rather than out of piety. A Holier Than Thou mentality, in other words.

Once again, only the consecrated hands of the priest should touch the Blessed Sacrament.

Also, I find no problem with following rules.

The conciliar church is pushing the un-Catholic notion of ecumenism, but are tolerant with everyone except those who only follow their traditional Catholic faith just as all of the popes, bishops, saints, martyrs and doctors of the church did throughout the ages.

 

[piouswoman]

A flaw in offering that article is that it is from the position of trying to prove receiving in the hand was never universal.

No one has said it was ever universal - simply that it was at one time a traditional practice within the church and an acceptable one.

The only flaw that I see, is in your understanding. The article that I posted shoots down the time worn argument of the modernists that the practice of communion on the tongue goes back only as far as the Middle Ages, and that is patently wrong. Good evening.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

The only flaw that I see, is in your understanding. The article that I posted shoots down the time worn argument of the modernists that the practice of communion on the tongue goes back only as far as the Middle Ages, and that is patently wrong. Good evening.

I never claimed it only went as far back as far as the Middle Ages.

2nd flaw in using this article is that assumption / false accusation.

 

[piouswoman]

I never claimed it only went as far back as far as the Middle Ages.

2nd flaw in using this article is that assumption / false accusation.

Have you ever seen this?

youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM

I suggest you make an appointment!

Once again, good evening.

 

[paramedicgirl]

Once again, only the consecrated hands of the priest should touch the Blessed Sacrament.

Also, I find no problem with following rules.

The conciliar church is pushing the un-Catholic notion of ecumenism, but are tolerant with everyone except those who only follow their traditional Catholic faith just as all of the popes, bishops, saints, martyrs and doctors of the church did throughout the ages.

“Because out of reverence towards this sacrament, nothing touches it, but what is consecrated; hence the corporal and the chalice are consecrated, and likewise the priest’s hands, for touching this sacrament.” - ST. THOMAS AQUINAS, Summa Theologica
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[Miles_Mariae]

That would be a great response, Paramedicgirl, but some people have no problem declaring the Angelic Doctor to be wrong and themselves right.

 

[Eilish_Maura]

Communion in the hand has been part of the Church going back as far as the Apostles.

It can’t have been all that wrong.

 

[Aramis]

Actually for most of the history of Christianity, that tabernacle, or cupboard that held the reserved hosts, was in the sacristy. The tabernacle on the altar is a relativly new.

In the West, perhaps. In the East, no… it has been, for 1400+ years, upon the holy table within the Altar, in the Eastern Churches (Catholic/Orthodox).

 

[MrS]

This blurring would have us killing God on the cross.

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Question: “Did God Die on the Cross?”

Your Answer: _____________________

By the way, don’t feel bad if you get it wrong. Most people do because of poor catechesis.

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[stmaria]

I didn’t realize I was being stubborn and fighting the proper way to receive our Lord, by receiving it by hand. I am very reverent when the time comes, and my hands are clean.

It seems more natural to take it by hand than by tongue, since** I’m not an infant being spoon-fed**

In 1969 Pope Paul asked the Bishops to give their thoughts on communion in the hand. Your response is very similiar to this one given to Pope Paul by a Bishop who was in favor of it. “The traditional way of receiving the host on the tongue seems infantile to our contemporaries; it is too much like the way children are fed who cannot eat by themselves. Many adults now feel ill at ease in this public performance of an action that has no outward attractiveness and makes them resemble children.”

From a Bishop against it. "“ The greatest thing to fear is a lessening of respect for worship of the Eucharist. Reception in the hand will be regarded by many as a less worthy and respectful way of communicating. Will all communicants, including children, have washed their hands?

The vote from the Bishops: Should communion in the hand be allowed? Yes-567 No-1233. Pope Paul decided not to allow communion in the hand. An indult was granted for the Netherlands at the urging of Father Bugnini who said that communion in the hand was, “completely in the spirit of the council”

 

[TMC]

There are good arguments for allowing communion in the hand and for returning to on the tongue only. But the good arguments have to do with what is helpful to the laity’s understanding of the importance and reverence of the Eucharist (obviously a matter of opinion, and probably of culture) and what is more practical (safer for the host and so forth). There is room to discuss these things.

I cannot agree with the many people that say that regular humans should not be allowed to touch the host. I know that a lot of people have taught that at different times, including Popes and Saints and what have you. Well, they were wrong.

One of the things Christ made clear was that God is approachable, loving, and available to all of us. He railed at the Scribes and Pharisees for putting barriers between God and man.

The very event that we are commemorating at Mass is Christ totally giving Himself for our salvation. He washed His followers feet. He told Thomas to put his hand in His side. He hung on a tree broken and bleeding until His overburdened lungs collapsed from exhaustion and He died. He did that for you. For you personally. Can you believe that and still believe He would be offended at the touch of your hand? I cannot.

 

[MrS]

Question: “Did God Die on the Cross?”

Eilish’s Answer: _____________________

By the way, don’t feel bad if you get it wrong. Most people do because of poor catechesis. Even I was hesitant to first answer

Eilish, Eilish, come out, come out wherever you are.

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[Eilish_Maura]

There are good arguments for allowing communion in the hand and for returning to on the tongue only. But the good arguments have to do with what is helpful to the laity’s understanding of the importance and reverence of the Eucharist (obviously a matter of opinion, and probably of culture) and what is more practical (safer for the host and so forth). There is room to discuss these things.

I cannot agree with the many people that say that regular humans should not be allowed to touch the host. I know that a lot of people have taught that at different times, including Popes and Saints and what have you. Well, they were wrong.

One of the things Christ made clear was that God is approachable, loving, and available to all of us. He railed at the Scribes and Pharisees for putting barriers between God and man.

The very event that we are commemorating at Mass is Christ totally giving Himself for our salvation. He washed His followers feet. He told Thomas to put his hand in His side. He hung on a tree broken and bleeding until His overburdened lungs collapsed from exhaustion and He died. He did that for you. For you personally. Can you believe that and still believe He would be offended at the touch of your hand? I cannot.

 

[latinmasslover]

There are good arguments for allowing communion in the hand and for returning to on the tongue only. But the good arguments have to do with what is helpful to the laity’s understanding of the importance and reverence of the Eucharist (obviously a matter of opinion, and probably of culture) and what is more practical (safer for the host and so forth). There is room to discuss these things.

I cannot agree with the many people that say that regular humans should not be allowed to touch the host. I know that a lot of people have taught that at different times, including Popes and Saints and what have you. Well, they were wrong.

One of the things Christ made clear was that God is approachable, loving, and available to all of us. He railed at the Scribes and Pharisees for putting barriers between God and man.

**John Paul II **said that it was a ***privilege *of the ordained **to touch the sacred vessels (I think we’ll all agree that the Eucharist is a bit more sacred than the vessels, yes?).

He is our savior and brother, but He is also our God and Judge and King. Holy Fear (as He tells the saints) comes first, one cannot truly love God without have a holy fear of Him, otherwise there is not point in praying “Lord, I am not worthy…” before Holy Communion.

Not touching the Eucharist isn’t a barrier. Honestly, would you walk up to the Pope and give him a slap on the back, saying “Yo, bud, what’s up?”? Honestly? Why would one expect reverence towards the Pope, or even a king/president/etc, but not for Almighty God? Come on people…

 

[laudamus_te]

Question: “Did God Die on the Cross?”

Eilish’s Answer: _____________________

By the way, don’t feel bad if you get it wrong. Most people do because of poor catechesis. Even I was hesitant to first answer

Eilish, Eilish, come out, come out wherever you are.

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Judging from past experience, you won’t get an answer. At least not a straightforward one.

 

[piouswoman]

There are good arguments for allowing communion in the hand and for returning to on the tongue only. But the good arguments have to do with what is helpful to the laity’s understanding of the importance and reverence of the Eucharist (obviously a matter of opinion, and probably of culture) and what is more practical (safer for the host and so forth). There is room to discuss these things.

I cannot agree with the many people that say that regular humans should not be allowed to touch the host. I know that a lot of people have taught that at different times, including Popes and Saints and what have you. Well, they were wrong.

One of the things Christ made clear was that God is approachable, loving, and available to all of us. He railed at the Scribes and Pharisees for putting barriers between God and man.

The very event that we are commemorating at Mass is Christ totally giving Himself for our salvation. He washed His followers feet. He told Thomas to put his hand in His side. He hung on a tree broken and bleeding until His overburdened lungs collapsed from exhaustion and He died. He did that for you. For you personally. Can you believe that and still believe He would be offended at the touch of your hand? I cannot.

The Catholic church according to TMC…it is time for people to stop making up their own fanciful ideas and rules about the faith to fit their own agenda. Modernism is evil, liberalism is a sin.

 

[pnewton]

Modernism is evil, liberalism is a sin.

I saw nothing in the post indicative of modernism. I was unaware that liberalism is a sin. You are the first person (other than Rush Limbaugh) I have heard make such a statement.

 

[TMC]

**John Paul II **said that it was a ***privilege ***of the ordained to touch the sacred vessels (I think we’ll all agree that the Eucharist is a bit more sacred than the vessels, yes?).

He is our savior and brother, but He is also our God and Judge and King. Holy Fear (as He tells the saints) comes first, one cannot truly love God without have a holy fear of Him, otherwise there is not point in praying “Lord, I am not worthy…” before Holy Communion.

Not touching the Eucharist isn’t a barrier. Honestly, would you walk up to the Pope and give him a slap on the back, saying “Yo, bud, what’s up?”? Honestly? Why would one expect reverence towards the Pope, or even a king/president/etc, but not for Almighty God? Come on people…

I wouldn’t slap the Pope on the back, but if he reached out his hand to me I wouldn’t fear to take it. At some points, the Church has decided that touching the Eucharist was a privilege it would reserve to its priests. At other time, the Church has not done that. The Church can make up liturgical rules, that is one of the things the Church does. If it goes back to that one I will follow it. But my priest is no more or less loved by Christ than I. I am not unworthy of touching my Lord.

 

[Walking_Home]

There are good arguments for allowing communion in the hand and for returning to on the tongue only. But the good arguments have to do with what is helpful to the laity’s understanding of the importance and reverence of the Eucharist (obviously a matter of opinion, and probably of culture) and what is more practical (safer for the host and so forth). There is room to discuss these things.

I cannot agree with the many people that say that regular humans should not be allowed to touch the host. I know that a lot of people have taught that at different times, including Popes and Saints and what have you. Well, they were wrong.

One of the things Christ made clear was that God is approachable, loving, and available to all of us. He railed at the Scribes and Pharisees for putting barriers between God and man.

The very event that we are commemorating at Mass is Christ totally giving Himself for our salvation. He washed His followers feet. He told Thomas to put his hand in His side. He hung on a tree broken and bleeding until His overburdened lungs collapsed from exhaustion and He died. He did that for you. For you personally. Can you believe that and still believe He would be offended at the touch of your hand? I cannot.

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What the Pope’s and Saints were teaching is Christology from above (high Christology) as opposed to what is being disseminated now —via various forms of low Christology (Which it seems is where you are leaning).