Is this the beginning of the end for communion in the hand?

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Why not both? With proper catechesis? When reception in the hand was taught to us back in the 70’s, we were told how to hold our hands with the same explanation that was given by St. Cyril. Reverence CAN be emphasized with this practice.
 
Here’s another interesting link (sent to me by a priest) titled Communion in the Hand; Documents & History. It’s well worth the read.

It’s written by Most Reverend Juan Rodolfo Laise, Bishop of San Luis, Argentina and was inspired when Argentinians started demanding communion in the hand. Bookmark it!
 
Why, because some people are quite tied to the past and seem to equate tradition with Tradition.

The earliest practice was reception in the hand. At the Last Supper Christ didn’t place himself on the tongues of the apostles, but rather, handed himself to them…to include the unworthy hands of Judas Iscariot.

There is no doctrinal or theological basis to demand reception on the tongue. Part of the reason we went to reception on the tongue was because the faithful saw themselves as unworthy to touch Christ. This flies in the face of what Christ taught. The woman who had the courage to reach out and touch Christ was healed. Christ wanted the children to come and sit with him when the dicsiples tried to keep them away. For centuries the practice of reception in the hand was the norm.

The faithful began to see themselves as unworthy to touch Christ and reception on the tongue began…this scrupulicity was carried so far that reception of communion fell off significantly…so much so that the Church mandated the faithful must recieve communion once a year. Do we want to go back to this?

There is no theological or doctrinal problem with recieving either on the tongue or in the hand…and abuses can and have occured with both…I’ve seen people with gum in their mouth recieve on the tongue…people have removed it from their mouth…a cough can send the host flying. The issue is NOT HOW one recieves, but rather, often the problem is poor catechesis.

As to getting rid of the NO mass…why…what good would it do? Again, the problem is not the mass, but abusers of the mass…and abuse would creep in to TLM as well by these same people…based upon poor catechesis.

Much of this is rooted in the nonsense that passed as Catechesis back in the late 60s to the present day…we no longer seem to teach doctrine and the why of doctrine (which was a fault of the Baltimore Cathecism…long on doctrine and discipline…short on explanation. If we improve HOW we instruct the faithful, abuse of or rites and rituals will decrease.
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The impugned statement could simply mean that what we see in our American churches does not correspond with what was decreed in the liturgy constitution Sacrosanctum Concilium, and consequently the novus ordo should be abrogated. What’s so extreme about that?
Indeed. It does not seem an outrage to do away with something “banal” and “on-the-spot”. There is a great difference between this statement, and trying to abrogate a treasure of the Catholic Church, a product of organic development for over a millennium.
 
Why do people put down the Early Church using a term like ‘primitive’ and act like they have no reverence or understanding of the Sacrament- especially regarding this topic??

Or treat examples drawn from Eastern Rite as if it came from Mars?

Is the Latin Rite the center of the universe?
 
Why do people put down the Early Church using a term like ‘primitive’ and act like they have no reverence or understanding of the Sacrament- especially regarding this topic??

Or treat examples drawn from Eastern Rite as if it came from Mars?

Is the Latin Rite the center of the universe?
The term ‘primitive church’ is not pejorative; it’s just a way that many scholars refer to the early church. I don’t know about ‘examples drawn from Eastern Rite’ as coming from Mars either. In the first place the traditional rites of the Christian East have repeatedly been recognized as being of equal dignity with the Latin rite. Further, it is far from unheard of for traditionalists to cite analogies from the eastern rites in defense of the traditional Latin rite-- for example, Mgr Lefebvre in A Bishop Speaks.

I don’t believe however that citations from legitimate eastern Fathers justify the current practice of communion in the hand.
 
Indeed. It does not seem an outrage to do away with something “banal” and “on-the-spot”. There is a great difference between this statement, and trying to abrogate a treasure of the Catholic Church, a product of organic development for over a millennium.
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Why bother posting in the category of Traditional Catholicism if you disagree with all that is traditional? So that you may scoff?
The traditional Catholicism subforum here has become little more than a place to bash traditional Catholicism.

That such is permitted is a failure of moderation. It should not be tolerated, but it is.
 
I’m going to repost this since sometimes people don’t always follow links:

From “Rethinking Communion in the Hand” by Jude Huntz:

A more rigorous study of the available evidence from Church History and from the writings of the Fathers does not support the assertion that Communion in the hand was a universal practice which was gradually supplanted and eventually replaced by the practice of Communion on the tongue.

Rather, the facts seem to point to a different conclusion.

Pope St. Leo the Great (440-461), already in the fifth century, is an early witness of the traditional practice. In his comments on the sixth chapter of the Gospel of John, he speaks of Communion in the mouth as the current usage: "One receives in the mouth what one believes by faith."2 The Pope does not speak as if he were introducing a novelty, but as if this were a well-established fact.

A century and a half later, but still three centuries before the practice (according to the popular account reviewed above) was supposedly introduced, Pope St. Gregory the Great (590-604) is another witness. In his dialogues (Roman 3, c. 3) he relates how Pope St. Agapito performed a miracle during the Mass, after having placed the Body of the Lord into someone’s mouth. We are also told by John the Deacon of this Pope’s manner of giving Holy Communion.

These witnesses are from the fifth and the sixth centuries. How can one reasonably say that Communion in the hand continued as the official practice until the tenth century? How can one claim that giving Communion on the tongue is a medieval invention?

We are not claiming that under no circumstances whatever did the faithful receive by their own hands. But, under what conditions did this happen? It does seem that from very early on it was usual for the priest to place the Sacred Host into the mouth of the communicant. However, during times of persecution, when priests were not readily available, and when the faithful took the Sacrament to their homes, they gave Communion to themselves, by their own hand. In other words, rather than be totally deprived of the Bread of Life, they could receive by their own hand, when not to do so would mean being deprived of that necessary spiritual nourishment. The same applied to monks who had gone out into the desert where they would not have the services of a priest, and would not want to give up the practice of daily Communion.

To summarize, the practice was that one could touch the Host when not to do so would mean being deprived of the Sacrament. But when a priest was available, one did not receive in one’s hand.

So St. Basil (330-379) says clearly that to receive Communion by one’s own hand is only permitted in times of persecution or, as was the case with monks in the desert, when no deacon or priest was available to give it. “It is not necessary to show that it does not constitute a grave fault for a person to communicate with his own hand in a time of persecution when there is no priest or deacon” (Letter 93, my emphasis). The text implies that to receive in the hand under other circumstances, outside of persecution, would be a grave fault.3 The saint based his opinion on the custom of the solitary monks, who reserved the Blessed Sacrament in their dwellings, and, in the absence of the priest or deacon, gave themselves Communion.

In his article on “Communion” in the Dictionaire d’Archeologie Chretienne, LeClerq declares that the peace of Constantine was bringing the practice of Communion in the hand to an end. This reaffirms for us the reasoning of St. Basil that it was persecution that created the alternative of either receiving by hand or not receiving at all.

…Thus the Council of Rouen, which met in 650, says, “Do not put the Eucharist in the hands of any layman or laywomen but only in their mouths.”

…Of course, the promoters of “Communion in the hand” generally make little mention of the evidence we have brought forward. They do, however, make constant use of the text attributed to St. Cyril of Jerusalem, who lived in the fourth century at the same time as St. Basil.

Henri LeClerq summarized things as follows: “Saint Cyril of Jerusalem recommended to the faithful that on presenting themselves to receive Communion, they should have the right hand extended, with their fingers together, supported by the left hand, and with the palm a little bit concave; and at the moment in which the Body of Christ was deposited in the hand, the communicant would say: Amen.”

There is more to this text than just the above, however. It also goes on to propose the following: “Sanctify your eyes with contact with the Holy Body . . . . When your lips are still wet, touch your hand to your lips, and then pass you hand over your eyes, your forehead and your other senses, to sanctify them.” This rather odd (or even superstitious? Irreverent?) recommendation has caused scholars to question the authenticity of this text. Some think that perhaps there has been an interpolation, or that it is really the saint’s successor who wrote it.

It is not impossible that the text is really the work of the Patriarch John, who succeeded Cyril in Jerusalem. But this John was of suspect orthodoxy. This we know from the correspondence of St. Epiphanius, St. Jerome, and St. Augustine. So, in favor of Communion in the hand we have a text of dubious origin and questionable content. And on the other hand, we have reliable witnesses, including two great popes, that placing the Sacred Host in the mouth of the communicant was already common and unremarkable in at least the fifth century.

catholic-pages.com/mass/inhand.asp
 
I take Communion on the tonque when I manage to get in Father’s line (which is most of the time) But when I find myself in lay person’s line I take it on the hand, because I don’t see the point otherwise.

Am I alone feeling this way?
 
I take Communion on the tonque when I manage to get in Father’s line (which is most of the time) But when I find myself in lay person’s line I take it on the hand, because I don’t see the point otherwise.

Am I alone feeling this way?
Not at all. I understand perfectly your feeling that way.
When I first came to understand how wrong it is to receive communion in the hand, and worse yet, from a lay person, I stopped doing that altogether, in one swift move.
 
And here is some support for reception of Communion in the Hand from some Fathers of the Church.

“In approaching therefore, come not with thy wrists extended, or thy fingers spread; but make thy left hand a throne for the right, as for that which is to receive a King. And having hollowed thy palm, receive the Body of Christ, saying over it, Amen. So then after having carefully hollowed thine eyes by the touch of the Holy Body, partake of it; giving heed lest thou lose any portion thereof; for whatever thou losest, is evidently a loss to thee as it were from one of thine own members. For tell me, if any one gave thee grains of gold, wouldest thou not hold them with all carefulness, being on thy guard against losing any of them, and suffering loss? Wilt thou not then much more carefully keep watch, that not a crumb fall from thee of what is more precious than gold and precious stones?” (St. Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures, 23:21).

“Tell me, would you choose to come to the Sacrifice with unwashen hands? No, I suppose, not. But you would rather choose not to come at all, than come with soiled hands. And then, thus scrupulous as you are in this little matter, do you come with soiled soul, and thus dare to touch it? And yet the hands hold it but for a time, whereas into the soul it is dissolved entirely” (St. John Chrysostom, Homily 3 on Ephesians).

“Wherefore, if any one wishes to be a participator of the immaculate Body in the time of the Synaxis, and to offer himself for the communion, let him draw near, arranging his hands in the form of a cross, and so let him receive the communion of grace. But such as, instead of their hands, make vessels of gold or other materials for the reception of the divine gift, and by these receive the immaculate communion, we by no means allow to come, as preferring inanimate and inferior matter to the image of God” (Quintsext Synod of Trullo, Canon CI).

“[Caedmon] accordingly went [to the house to which those that were sick, and like shortly to die, were carried], and conversing pleasantly in a joyful manner with the rest that were in the house before, when it was past midnight, he asked them, whether they had the Eucharist there? They answered, ‘What need of the Eucharist? for you are not likely to die, since you talk so merrily with us, as if you were in perfect health.’ *‘However,’ said he, ‘bring me the Eucharist.’ Having received the same into his hand, he asked, whether they were all in charity with him, and without any enmity or rancour?” (St. Bede the Venerable, Ecclesiastical History of England, 4:24)

“Let us draw near to [the Eucharist] with an ardent desire, and with our hands held in the form of the cross let us receive the body of the Crucified One: and let us apply our eyes and lips and brows and partake of the divine coal, in order that the fire of the longing, that is in us, with the additional heat derived from the coal may utterly consume our sins and illumine our hearts, and that we may be inflamed and deified by the participation in the divine fire” (St. John Damascus, De Fide Orthodoxa Book IV, ch. XIII).

These are drawn from this article, I Make a Terrible … (On Communion in the Hand)
Quite true and as you well know, or at least I assume you know, what the communicant was receiving was not a communion wafer or a small morsel. Rather it was usually a substantial size loaf that was taken home for consumption during the week after a small bit was consumed at the Mass.

They normally warpped it in a white cloth so mice would not eat it.👍
 
Why do people put down the Early Church using a term like ‘primitive’ and act like they have no reverence or understanding of the Sacrament- especially regarding this topic??

Or treat examples drawn from Eastern Rite as if it came from Mars?

Is the Latin Rite the center of the universe?
How is describing the early Church as primitive putting it down? How els would you describe it?

The Eastern Churches have their own rituals, rules and manner od doing things. The fact that they are different in some areas doesn’t make them preferable or right or wrong for that matter.

For Latin Rite Catholics the Latin Rite Mass IS the center of the universe.

Or at least it should be.
 
Why bother posting in the category of Traditional Catholicism if you disagree with all that is traditional? So that you may scoff?
In most forums, it’s called trolling. The old advice is “don’t feed the trolls!”
 
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