Is this The Word of God

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First apparition as recorded 22nd February 1931.
As she knelt Our Lord Spoke.
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                            Is this the Word of God ?
“ Paint a picture according to the vision you see” and with the inscription: “ Jesus I Trust in Thee”
I desire that this picture be venerated first in your chapel and then throughout the world.

For

The church teaches us that God’s Word is Inviolate our Christian faith is based on his Word.
It cannot be misunderstood it cannot contradict itself nor deviate from the truth. God is truth.

Against

Even though this is a fully approved by the church and Sr Faustina has been canonised a saint it is still a private revelation and subject to variations of interpretations

For

God ‘s Word is not subjective it is either God’ Word or Not

Against

The words of a seer are not equal to the word of god.

For

Moses was Commanded by God to give the Ten Commandments to his people
And he did so. We accept these commandments as the Word of God.

Sister Faustina Kowalkska was Commanded by God to paint a picture according to the vision she saw and requested that it be displayed within God’s house on earth with the inscription “Jesus I Trust in Thee”
Gods church on earth has given God’s Word from this vision to God’s people on earth.
The church has endorsed this Command given by God to sister Kowalski.
Gods Church has put it’s seal upon this Command these words are now written on the face of God’s Church on earth for all time.

Is this God’s Word ? Is God’s Word Inviolate?
 
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Moses was Commanded by God to give the Ten Commandments to his people
And he did so. We accept these commandments as the Word of God.
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No, God wrote the commandments on tablets, and most importantly he spoke the ten commandments to the thousands of Israelites who stood before the mountain.

The all knew the voice of their God…
 
did yo know that there is more than one greek word for word?

And i believe that would be the word of sister faustina. from her diary to be precise
 
no it is still private revelation

the Word of God is Jesus Christ, Son of God, Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. The book that contains the written record of God’s revelation to His people is the Bible, and together with Sacred Tradition, is preserved, taught and handed on by the Catholic Church in her magesterial office, through the protection of the Holy Spirit.
 
We have a promise that Jesus will be with His church to the end. The Holy Spirit protects and guides this church… so how exactly is that supposed to happen if there can be no form of communication?

St. Faustina’s visions were about much more than a picture. They were about Jesus wanting to open a floodgate of mercy which is perfectly consistent with the Scripture, that there is a desire that all men come to Him. It’s also perfectly consistent with His words about His yoke being light.

Remember that one of the criteria for determining if a vision is truly from God or not is that it teaches nothing in contradiction to the faith. Obedience is also primary in response to authority, and if you read St. Faustina’s story, you’ll find she was between the rock and the hard place about much of this, struggling with what the vision demanded and what her superiors demanded.
 
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We have have a promise that Jesus will be with his church to the end of time. The Holy Spirit protects and guides the church so how can this happen if there can be no form of communication?

I believe that the first vision in which Jesus Commanded Sr Faustina to

“ Paint a picture according to the vision you see” and with the inscription: “ Jesus I Trust in Thee”
I desire that this picture be venerated first in your chapel and then throughout the world.

Was the Word of God

After the first apparition earthly hands manipulated God’s Word to fit their own image of what God wanted.

Quote; The first vision repeated itself several times. Why?

The first part of the vision is a Command from God directed at her and her only. Sister Kowalska to” paint a picture according to the vision you see.” Sister Kowalska. No one else can paint this picture. (no one else can see what she saw).

And with the inscription Jesus I Trust in thee.
This is open for any one in any land or language to inscribe.

The second part does not command but requests (desires) that this picture be venerated first in your chapel and then thought the world. We are given a choice treated as God’s friend’s not servants God trust’s us to do his will.

Her superiors could not accept what God was commanding (quote at first she tried to sketch it herself she was no artist and failed. After many trials some one was found to paint it.) and pursued there own interests (portraying God in their own image) their actions show that they were untrustworthy. Sister Kowalkska had only three years of very basic education and doubt must be placed on any information given after the first vision. God’s Word is Inviolate it is not open to be questioned it doe’s not contradict it’s self nor can it be misunderstood her superiors would have known this.

A picture is now in God’s House on earth but it is not the picture commanded by God. It is an image made in mans own image. Blasphemy in God’s own house.
It bears the inscription “Jesus I Trust in Thee” God’s word taken from the revelation to
Sister Faustina now confirmed as Saint Faustina .
God’s word in God’s House is not open to debate His word is inviolate.
The picture she painted must be venerated and no other.
Her original attempt must become the picture on display.
The official picture on display is made in man’s own image it relates to earthly beauty (goodness) it pertains to the senses and is blasphemous.
The original picture to spiritual beauty (goodness) it pertains to humility.
“The pure (humble)in heart shall see God.

God’s Word is Inviolate and must not be trifled with.

Kevin
In Christ.
 
Puzzleannie

God’s Word is not subjective
Catholics presented with God’s Word Endorsed by the Church and given to the laity In God’s House cannot accept or reject them. They now belong to the laity God’s church on earth has put it’s seal upon this revelation and it is no longer private.

God’s Word is Inviolate The Church cannot trifle with His Word. Yes or No ?
If they are not God’s Words what are they ?
If God’s Word is not Inviolate on what would the church base her authority?
The church cannot say you can believe them or not God’s Word is inviolate to do so is to commit blasphemy.

GOD’S WORD ENDORSED BY THE CHURCH SUPERSEDES ANY TRADITION IN HER MAGISTERIAL OFFICE We have the promise that God’s Word will be given to his church through the Holy Spirit until the end of time. Once given and endorsed by the church it is God’s Word for all time.

The authority of the apostles and their successors.

“ Truly, I say whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven.”

God’s Word is life and his Word lives it did not die with the death of the last apostle it continues with their successors and they carry the same authority as the apostles.

When The Counsellor comes whom I shall send to you from the Father he will bear witness to me and you also are witnesses, because you have been with me from the beginning.

Only God’s Word is Inviolate. .

Kevin
In Christ
 
Jesus said plenty of things on earth, from “please pass the salt” to the famous saying, “Be good bankers.” (Yes, seriously. It’s quoted lots of perfectly orthodox places. There was a story to it.) However, although all these words were words of God and they probably all fed Holy Tradition, they weren’t words that God willed to become Holy Scripture. We aren’t going to tested on this stuff, in other words. It’d be nice to know, but it only goes to enrichment.

Similarly, true private revelations spoken by God are still not Scripture. It’s nice to know this stuff, but what really counts is how it points us back to the core materials of Holy Scripture and Holy Tradition.

All authentic private revelations boil down to “Do whatever He tells you.”
 
Similarly, true private revelations spoken by God are still not Scripture. It’s nice to know this stuff, but what really counts is how it points us back to the core materials of Holy Scripture and Holy Tradition.

All authentic private revelations boil down to “Do whatever He tells you.”

We have contradiction as Christians we are taught by the church that God’s Word is Inviolate.

But the church teaches in private revelation even a Direct Command from God endorsed by the church. We can take or leave.
It may not be Holy Scripture but is it God’s Word ?
It abdicates it’s responsibility and confuses the laity which causes division

The subject matter concerning the revelation of God’s Word (will) to St.Fuastina Divine Mercy demonstrates that the concept of a divide between Private and Public Revelation (as stated by the church) is flawed.
It permit’s the hand (will) of man to control God’s Word (Will) without taking responsibility for their actions. It pass’s the responsibility to the laity and in so doing denigrates God’s Word and undermines the authority of the apostles successors.

It is written “You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve”.

Man was made for God and not God for man
Only God’s Word is Inviolate no other.

GOD’S WORD (Will) ENDORSED BY THE CHURCH SUPERSEDES ANY TRADITION IN HER MAGISTERIAL OFFICE We have the promise that God’s Word will be given to his church through the Holy Spirit until the end of time. Once given and endorsed by the church it is God’s Word for all time.

The authority of the apostles and their successors.

“ Truly, I say whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven.”

God’s Word (will) is life and his Word lives it did not die with the physical
death of the last apostle (they still live he is the God of the living) it continues with their successors and they carry the same authority and responsibility as the apostles to teach and discern God’s Word (will) and give it to the laity.

Time is meaningless to God he is timeless.

“When The Counsellor comes whom I shall send to you from the Father he will bear witness to me and you also are witnesses, because you have been with me from the beginning“.
When they deliver you up, do not be anxious how you are to speak or what you are to say; for what you are to say will be given to you in that hour. For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.
God’s Word is manifest through his lovers.
God himself still speaks to mankind through his lovers.

“My Father is working still and I am working now and for ever.”

kevin
In Christ
 
This canard has been tried before and I believe by the same person.Scripture is Revelation,which is meant for all humankind and necessary for salvation.Private revelation is not scripture nor is it necessary for salvation.Apples and oranges and never the twain shall meet.One has nothing to do with the other.
 
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