Is this too intimate? Question to medical professionals and others who can help

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Hello,

I have a question mostly geared towards medical professionals who are catholic, but I’m open to all advice please! It is about sex and I hope I’m not being too inappropriate or offensive. I’ll try to be as clinical as possible.

I’m a 27 year old female (I was raised Lutheran) and I’ve been with my Catholic boyfriend (converted 4/2014) for 4.5 years. We are committed and very serious about our relationship. Since his conversion, we’ve been in a relatively chaste relationship. I’ll admit that we do still kiss and “make out” but never go past that. It was very difficult for me at first (I’ve been in sexual relationships before yet I was his first and he’s only had one relationship before me) but we love each other very much and I accepted his new lifestyle. Even though I experience times where I really desire him, I still abstain and understand.

Anyway… for 6 years I’ve suffered pelvic disorders (vulgar vestibulitis syndrome, allodynia, vaginismus) as a result of multiple surgeries I had when I was younger. It’s horrible, painful, and depressing. I’ve tried several treatments and then gave up. I learned to live with the pain everyday convincing myself that I’ll never be able to have pain free love making, get rid of the discomfort in my bladder, sit down comfortably, and a whole mess of other things.

But then I recently started pelvic therapy and my life has changed. Everything we’ve done has helped. I’ve improved so much and I even impress my physical therapist! I’m happy for me for the first time in years.

Anyway, my medical question. Today she discussed an exercise that involves my partner (which is the first time we’ve ever approached one with him involved). Most of the women who see her cannot make love with their partners and husbands without pain. The exercise involves the partner inserting a certain size dilator into the vaginal opening, holding it there while deep breathing, and stretching slowly. I’ve been gradually going up in sizes on my own and experience little pain. But it’s mostly because I know when I’m doing it. My nerves are more relaxed because I know when to expect intrusion and I have control. But I won’t when we will eventually be able to make love as a married couple. I trust my physical therapist and everything we’ve been doing has worked.

I just don’t know how to approach this. Is this okay because it will help cure my disorder? What if covered myself with a towel? I really don’t think I can ask anyone else to do this because that’d be mortifying! I’d be lying if I said the thought does bring some arousal, but honestly? I’ve never felt pleasure from dilator insertion or any other similar object. It just feels like a plastic foreign object.

Thanks for reading this, I’m sorry if it offends anyone. I know it’s long and I tried to keep it as clinical as possible. I know where I can ask a local priest this question as well and will try. Thanks again.
 
Anyway, my medical question. Today she discussed an exercise that involves my partner (which is the first time we’ve ever approached one with him involved). Most of the women who see her cannot make love with their partners and husbands without pain. The exercise involves the partner inserting a certain size dilator into the vaginal opening, holding it there while deep breathing, and stretching slowly…

I just don’t know how to approach this. Is this okay because it will help cure my disorder? What if covered myself with a towel? I really don’t think I can ask anyone else to do this because that’d be mortifying! I’d be lying if I said the thought does bring some arousal, but honestly? I’ve never felt pleasure from dilator insertion or any other similar object. It just feels like a plastic foreign object.
Not Catholic, but certainly understand the idea that the ends don’t justify the means. This may not lead you to lust, I know dilators are used frequently for this kind of problem, but what about your boyfriend? I have a feeling your therapist assumes your “partner” is a sexual partner, or would like to be, with no moral objection to sexual acts before marriage, because that is true for most people.

Also, as far as I know, there is no Catholic teaching that married couples must consummate their marriage on the wedding night. Why not start these exercises AFTER you are actually married? It is true that people who are “impotent” as in, absolutely no way they can ever consummate the marriage, actually would not be eligible for Catholic marriage, but this would be very rare these days, except perhaps someone who had some horrible trauma to the area.

I also would want to ask, though, if your BF is fully on board with Catholic teachings about sexuality, including contraception, abortion, etc. If you’re not in agreement on those issues, I think there are more problems that might be in store after marriage than this.
 
Way too intimate, in my opinion. I don’t know your boyfriend, but I could see a lot of men being really uncomfortable with doing this, even if they were sexually active with the woman! What does the therapist recommend for single women with the same disorder? Or do most women not seek this treatment until they want to be sexually active? Did you tell the therapist that you are not sexually active with your boyfriend at this time? Is this something that can be postponed until you are actually married?
 
This is not appropriate for an unmarried couple. No way, no how. It would be appropriate for a husband only.
 
Hello,

I have a question mostly geared towards medical professionals who are catholic, but I’m open to all advice please! It is about sex and I hope I’m not being too inappropriate or offensive. I’ll try to be as clinical as possible.

I’m a 27 year old female (I was raised Lutheran) and I’ve been with my Catholic boyfriend (converted 4/2014) for 4.5 years. We are committed and very serious about our relationship. Since his conversion, we’ve been in a relatively chaste relationship. I’ll admit that we do still kiss and “make out” but never go past that. It was very difficult for me at first (I’ve been in sexual relationships before yet I was his first and he’s only had one relationship before me) but we love each other very much and I accepted his new lifestyle. Even though I experience times where I really desire him, I still abstain and understand.

Anyway… for 6 years I’ve suffered pelvic disorders (vulgar vestibulitis syndrome, allodynia, vaginismus) as a result of multiple surgeries I had when I was younger. It’s horrible, painful, and depressing. I’ve tried several treatments and then gave up. I learned to live with the pain everyday convincing myself that I’ll never be able to have pain free love making, get rid of the discomfort in my bladder, sit down comfortably, and a whole mess of other things.

But then I recently started pelvic therapy and my life has changed. Everything we’ve done has helped. I’ve improved so much and I even impress my physical therapist! I’m happy for me for the first time in years.

Anyway, my medical question. Today she discussed an exercise that involves my partner (which is the first time we’ve ever approached one with him involved). Most of the women who see her cannot make love with their partners and husbands without pain. The exercise involves the partner inserting a certain size dilator into the vaginal opening, holding it there while deep breathing, and stretching slowly. I’ve been gradually going up in sizes on my own and experience little pain. But it’s mostly because I know when I’m doing it. My nerves are more relaxed because I know when to expect intrusion and I have control. But I won’t when we will eventually be able to make love as a married couple. I trust my physical therapist and everything we’ve been doing has worked.

I just don’t know how to approach this. Is this okay because it will help cure my disorder? What if covered myself with a towel? I really don’t think I can ask anyone else to do this because that’d be mortifying! I’d be lying if I said the thought does bring some arousal, but honestly? I’ve never felt pleasure from dilator insertion or any other similar object. It just feels like a plastic foreign object.

Thanks for reading this, I’m sorry if it offends anyone. I know it’s long and I tried to keep it as clinical as possible. I know where I can ask a local priest this question as well and will try. Thanks again.
From what I read, you have had sex with him before but have abstained since his conversion. So he should be aware of your pain issue. Do you discuss the treatments you have been getting with him? No, it is not appropriate for him to assist you with this before marriage. You’ve been going out 4.5 years. None of my business, but isn’t that enough time for the two of you to determine if you’re going to take this to the next level?
 
You are a single woman and your therapist should treat you as such. Ask your therapist what she would recommend to someone who is not married and not planning to be in a sexual relationship until married. If you don’t want to explain all that, then ask what she recommends to someone who does not have anyone that can do what the therapist is asking, because no, your boyfriend is not an moral option.
 
From what I read, you have had sex with him before but have abstained since his conversion. So he should be aware of your pain issue. Do you discuss the treatments you have been getting with him? No, it is not appropriate for him to assist you with this before marriage. You’ve been going out 4.5 years. None of my business, but isn’t that enough time for the two of you to determine if you’re going to take this to the next level?
That’s what I am wondering, too. 4.5 years is a while. Do you plan on marrying him?
 
This is not appropriate for an unmarried couple. No way, no how. It would be appropriate for a husband only.
Yes I agree! Man, I can’t believe what people want to get a 👍 , for . :rolleyes: :eek:
 
Sorry to hear you’re having such issues. But I agree this is not the solution.
This is not appropriate for an unmarried couple. No way, no how. It would be appropriate for a husband only.
Even for a husband, it’s a pretty confronting suggestion. I’d of course do it to help my wife, but I imagine it would be a massive mood-killer. Sounds like one of the least sexy things a married couple could do together.
You’ve been going out 4.5 years. None of my business, but isn’t that enough time for the two of you to determine if you’re going to take this to the next level?
Yeah, if you don’t know after 4.5 years, I suggest you’re either hopelessly indecisive or it’s not the right relationship to progress with. There can be other factors of course, but it’s soemthing to think about.
 
Even for a husband, it’s a pretty confronting suggestion. I’d of course do it to help my wife, but I imagine it would be a massive mood-killer. Sounds like one of the least sexy things a married couple could do together.
Well, there’s also perineal massage during pregnancy and then childbirth. That’s not very sexy either, but it doesn’t seem to be that much of a mood killer - otherwise we’d have stopped after the first kid. 😛

I agree that it definitely isn’t appropriate for an unmarried couple, though.
 
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