Is this true about Allah?

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Allah made it appear that Jesus was crucified and died in order to trick people. What is that called?
 
WMM said:
***If Allah is in fact God, the answer has to be no.

God IS Truth, and Turth cannot lie.***
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But “allah” of the Muslims is NOT God, which is why he planted all that evil into Muhammad’s cerebrum.
 
I don’t understand the question.

The answers are even worse!

People lie. God points out the truth, and then the people ask why God didn’t tell them before, so they call Him a liar? A’udhubillah.

Exalted is He above what you claim.
 
Eucharisted said:
Is it true Allah can lie?
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If by Allah you mean the One True God then no he cannot.

I suppose one could see Mohammed’s enterpretation of Allah as deceptive. I’m not going to get into that though because I’ve never really considered that viewpoint, so I don’t want to go there.

I assume something prompted you to ask this? What is the context of your question? Did someone tell you that Allah lies, or did you read something in the Qu’ran that caused you to think this is the case? Why are you asking?
 
Ironic, the one muslim says allah doesn’t and the others say it does lie.

Now, is it that they don’t know their own texts?

**“and [they] deceived and Allah deceived and Allah is the best of deceivers” Sura 3:54

Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”

Qur’an 66:2 “Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.”

Qur’an 5:41 “Whomever Allah wants to deceive you cannot help. Allah does not want them to know the truth because he intends to disgrace them and then torture them.”

Qur’an 40:32 “O my People! I fear a Day when there will be mutual wailing. No one shall defend you against Allah. Any whom Allah causes to err, there is no guide. That is how Allah leads the skeptic astray.”
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here is more proof that allah does indeed lie:

Pickthal: And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.
Dr. Ghali: And they schemed, and Allah schemed, and Allah is The Most Charitable of schemers.

(To scheme is to be deceptive.)

Now, my question to muslims… How can you trust a liar? If allah is deceptive how can you be sure what you do will get you to that paradise it promised? Especially with predestination, how can you be certain all these rituals that you do on a daily basis will get you anywhere if you are already predestined for hell? Especially jihad, whether it be the stealth (deception, dawah, etc), or the violent kind - how can you be sure it is going to bypass predestination?
 
ralphinal said:
Allah made it appear that Jesus was crucified and died in order to trick people. What is that called?
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**ralph, ** ** Allah did not cheat. Nothing of what you said. Jesus was harrassed by the Jews, his own people. They got him arrested. he had prayed to Allah to protect him from death on the cross. Allah accepted his prayer and informed him that he will die a natural death (Mtawaffeeka) meaning he will not die by a sword or cross etc.

So Allah saved his man by any means and death did not occur on the cross. That is not an utter impossibilty. Many people come down alive from the cross. Just because a Centurian said, “Oh he is dead already” does not mean Jesus was really dead. Centurian was not any doctor.

The good friends of Jesus who took charge of him checked him up by listening close to the chest and were happy to know that he was alive. Thereafter Jesus was looked after in a big tomb and then quickly removed away from that tomb also to a better place (chamber) for ultimate safety. he was treated there with medicines…

Quran has only said “They could not kill him on cross, or in any other way, But it was made to appear to them (as if he was dead.)”

Please remember that nobody at the place of the cross could say that Jesus was alive. That would have been very harmful to Jesus. His legs would have been broken. What I have written here is the correct islamic (Quranic) statement. Christians may never believe it. I do not mind. They can believe what they like.
  1. But we have in the bible too, a big support that The wife of Pilate had a vision in which she was warned not to harm Jesus. She was in fact a good and great faithful person believing in Jesus. So Jesus could never die because God did not want that to happen.
  2. Bible is telling that while Jesus was praying to his God, in the Garden before his arrest that the cup may be avoided, it is written there that an angel was strengthening him. What does that mean?. We believe that. An agel came to jesus to strengthen him i.e. to assure him that his prayer was accepted and the cup will be avoided.**
 
One of allah’s most beautiful names was The Greatest Deceiver. Of course, we believe that is Satan. Al Azhar has subsequently removed that from the list. However, allah is indeed a liar and is proud of it. After apparently sending the Christians his “word”, he then deceives the Christians (and apparently it’s our fault, both according to allah, muslims, and our very own Sister Amy).
[157] That they said (in boast), “We killed Al-Masih 'Isa the son of Maryam, the Messenger of Allah”; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.
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Tafsirs explaining this verse :

ibn Abbas
(And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah Jesus son of Mary, Allah’s messenger) Allah destroyed their man Tatianos. (They slew him not nor crucified, but it appeared so unto them) Allah made Tatianos look like Jesus and so they killed him instead of him; (and lo! those who disagree concerning it) concerning his killing (are in doubt thereof) in doubt about his killing; (they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture) not even conjecture; (they slew him not for certain) i.e. certainly they did not kill him,
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al Jalalyn
And for their saying, boastfully, ‘We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, the Messenger of God’, as they claim: in other words, for all of these [reasons] We have punished them. God, exalted be He, says, in repudiating their claim to have killed him: And yet they did not slay him nor did they crucify him, but he, the one slain and crucified, who was an associate of theirs [the Jews], was given the resemblance, of Jesus. In other words, God cast his [Jesus’s] likeness to him and so they thought it was him [Jesus]. And those who disagree concerning him, that is, concerning Jesus, are surely in doubt regarding, the slaying of, him, for some of them said, when they saw the slain man: the face is that of Jesus, but the body is not his, and so it is not he; and others said: no, it is he. They do not have any knowledge of, the slaying of, him, only the pursuit of conjecture (illā ittibā‘a l-zann, is a discontinuous exception) in other words: ‘instead, they follow conjecture regarding him, that which they imagined [they saw]’; and they did not slay him for certain (yaqīnan, a circumstantial qualifier emphasising the denial of the slaying).
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Not only is allah a liar, he deliberately misleads people so they can be in error and according to allah must die on this earth and be doomed to hell.

allah is NOT YHWH
 
Sorry about the confusion. Allow me to clarify:

I don’t want to know whether or not Allah has lied, since that’s a different matter. What I want to know is, can Allah tell a lie? Can he decieve?
 
Eucharisted said:
Sorry about the confusion. Allow me to clarify:

I don’t want to know whether or not Allah has lied, since that’s a different matter. What I want to know is, can Allah tell a lie? Can he decieve?
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Yes, allah can lie, allah can deceive, as per the qur’an.
 
planten said:
Eucharisted, Good question from you.

Our God is Allah. He does not lie and would not die. What do you say about your god please?
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I’m not Eurcharisted, but here’s my answer.

YHWH does not lie and YHWH is Alive and with us. :amen:
 
chrisse said:
ibn Abbas

al Jalalyn

Not only is allah a liar, he deliberately misleads people so they can be in error and according to allah must die on this earth and be doomed to hell.

allah is NOT YHWH
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**chrisse, do you believe ibn abbas or al jalalyn? They say that it was not jesus on the cross but some one else. Do you belieeve that? If you do not believe that then why are you teaching us that? We also do not believe that.

We believe that it was Jesus himself who was (suffering) on the cross.

Allah saved him because Jesus had called upon Allah to save him, to avoid the cup of ignominous cursed death on the cross. Allah accepted Jesus prayer and saved Jesus in any way. That was the promise of Allah mentioned in the Quran “O Isa, I will cause you to die a natural death and then raise you (in ranks) to myself and…**…” Al-Quran 3:55. Please read verses before and after the one shown.

There was no cheating. It was a very good thing that Jesus was saved. catholics are anxious to kill Jesus on the cross. they do not use the word Killing there. They say “he died for us.”

They do not say that jesus was killed on the cross…
 
planten said:
**chrisse, do you believe ibn abbas or al jalalyn? They say that it was not jesus on the cross but some one else. Do you belieeve that? If you do not believe that then why are you teaching us that? We also do not believe that.

We believe that it was Jesus himself who was (suffering) on the cross.

Allah saved him because Jesus had called upon Allah to save him, to avoid the cup of ignominous cursed death on the cross. Allah accepted Jesus prayer and saved Jesus in any way. That was the promise of Allah mentioned in the Quran “O Isa, I will cause you to die a natural death and then raise you (in ranks) to myself and…**…” Al-Quran 3:55. Please read verses before and after the one shown.

There was no cheating. It was a very good thing that Jesus was saved. catholics are anxious to kill Jesus on the cross. they do not use the word Killing there. They say “he died for us.”

They do not say that jesus was killed on the cross…
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I gave the quranic verse as well. The tafsirs are authentic explanations. I realise muslims are running away from the authentic sources of Islam; funny muslims used to be so proud of them.

However, even with the quranic verse, it is clear allah is a deceiver. It is clear allah deliberately deceived everyone into believing Jesus, the Christ was crucified.

By the way, I know allah is a deceiver. Jesus, the Christ was crucified and allah has deceived muslims.
 
chrisse said:
I gave the quranic verse as well. The tafsirs are authentic explanations. I realise muslims are running away from the authentic sources of Islam; funny muslims used to be so proud of them.

However, even with the quranic verse, it is clear allah is a deceiver. It is clear allah deliberately deceived everyone into believing Jesus, the Christ was crucified.

By the way, I know allah is a deceiver. Jesus, the Christ was crucified and allah has deceived muslims.
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**chrisse, Jesus was crucified as much as he was only nailed on the cross. That is all. No more. He came down alive from the cross and that is what Quran tells. You people have purposely made up things. On the one hand you have Jesus as God. Then you say that Jesus died. It means your God dies too?

Then you have more than double role for Jesus to cover up all sides of weakness of your arguments. You ask any Muslim, any sect. They all believe that Jesus never died on the cross. Not a single Muslim will believe that Jesus was killed or died on the cross.
Remember that Crucifixion means death on the cross. Not just putting up, nailing on the cross.

The quran admits the claim (belief) of the Jews and the christians that Jesus was killed on the cross. But Quran says that is not true.**
 
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