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**Pope set to return to traditional liturgy:-
**VATICAN CITY | June 19, 2005 5:11:27 AM IST



Pope Benedict XVI wants to restore the traditional ceremonial Mass in St. Peter’s Basilica, with Latin instead of the vernacular and Gregorian chants.

Vatican expert Sandro Magister reported in his weekly newsletter Saturday that the pope is expected to replace Archbishop Pietro Marini, his predecessor Pope John Paul II’s master of liturgical ceremonies.

Whoever follows Marini will have orders to restore the traditional style and choreography of papal ceremonies in St. Peter’s.

Out will go the international Masses so dear to Pope John Paul II’s heart, with such innovations as Latin American and African rhythms and even dancing, multi-lingual readings and children in national costumes bringing gifts to the altar.

Pope Benedict wants to return to the Sistine Chapel choirs singing Gregorian chant and the church music of such composers as Claudio Monteverdi from the 17th century. He also wants to revive the Latin Mass.

Archbishop Marini always planned the ceremonies with television in mind, Magister said, and that emphasis will remain. A decade ago the Vatican set up a system for transmitting papal ceremonies world wide via multiple satellites.

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televised Latin Masses of the grandeur we saw during the period of mourning for Pope John Paul and the conclave will go a long way to restoring appreciation and longing for such beautiful liturgy. it is a sure bet the quality of the music and chant will be better than EWTN. they ought to tell the tourists who take part in the daily Mass to keep quiet if they don’t know the songs and the chant and let the dear sisters carry it, it would sound a lot better. In the monasteries they used to assign corporal punishment to monks who messed up the chanting during liturgy, it is not hard to see why.
 
they ought to tell the tourists who take part in the daily Mass to keep quiet if they don’t know the songs and the chant and let the dear sisters carry it, it would sound a lot better

++In one of the old Methodist hymnals, Wesley listed about 10-12 rules for singing. One basically said that if you can’t, don’t, but if you can then sing loud!

XAnglican
 
When it says “Latin Mass” does it mean the TLM? I know Benedict XVI is more of a liturgical traditionalist than JPII was. From what I’ve read he is very much against things like dance of all kind in the Mass. I’ve also read that he thinks the changes to the Mass that came after Vatican II were not as organic or natural as the changes to the Mass that had happened over the history of the Church:
“What happened after the council – we abandoned the living, organic process of growth and development over centuries and replaced it with a fabrication, a banal on-the-spot product.”
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It will be interesting to see if he does anything on a world-wide scale in regards to the liturgy.
 
Cardinal Arinze recently wrote about the liturgy and emphasized that it is not a “show” and we are not there to be entertained. I think that is probably what a number of people have come to expect. Were there really liturgical dancers in the Vatican?:eek:

Lisa N
 
Benedict XVI on dancing in the Liturgy:
Dancing is not a form of expression for the Christian liturgy. In about the third century, there was an attempt in certain Gnostic-Docetic circles to introduce it into the liturgy. For these people, the Crucifixion was only an appearance. . . . Dancing could take the place of the liturgy of the Cross, because, after all, the Cross was only an appearance. The cultic dances of the different religions have different purposes - incantation, imitative magic, mystical ecstasy - none of which is compatible with the essential purpose of the liturgy as the “reasonable sacrifice”. It is totally absurd to try to make the liturgy “attractive” by introducing dancing pantomimes (wherever possible performed by professional dance troupes), which frequently (and rightly, from the professionals’ point of view) end with applause. Wherever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that the essence of liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment. Such attraction fades quickly - it cannot compete in the market of leisure pursuits, incorporating as it increasingly does various forms of religious titillation.
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This action of God, which takes place through human speech, is the real “action” for which all creation is in expectation. The elements of the earth are transubstantiated, pulled, so to speak, from their creaturely anchorage, grasped at the deepest ground of their being, and changed into the Body and Blood of the Lord. The New Heaven and the New Earth are anticipated. The real “action” in the liturgy in which we are all supposed to participate is the action of God himself. This is what is new and distinctive about the Christian liturgy: God himself acts and does what is essential.
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Lisa N:
Cardinal Arinze recently wrote about the liturgy and emphasized that it is not a “show” and we are not there to be entertained. I think that is probably what a number of people have come to expect. Were there really liturgical dancers in the Vatican?:eek:

Lisa N
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If there were I hope it wasn’t like the pictures I saw from the California Mass:eek: :eek: :eek:
 
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Genesis315:
http://www.wga.hu/detail/p/poussin/2/16golden.jpg

Look, it’s “liturgical dance”!:rolleyes:
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Seriously.Genesis did you see the California Mass pictures:eek:
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
Seriously.Genesis did you see the California Mass pictures:eek:
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I did and that’s what it reminded me of:crying: . I think it was Cardinal Arinze who said dance in the Mass puts our mind on earthly things and not spiritual things.
“For that reason [liturgical dance] cannot be introduced into liturgical celebrations of any kind whatever: that would be to inject into the liturgy one of the most desacralized and desacralizing elements; and so it would be equivalent to creating an atmosphere of profaneness which would easily recall to those present and to the participants in the celebration worldly places and situations.”
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Genesis315:
I did and that’s what it reminded me of:crying: . I think it was Cardinal Arinze who said dance in the Mass puts our mind on earthly things and not spiritual things.
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I hate to sound uncharitable but if a priest was dancing around like that in that costume I would run:eek: Not walk far,far away.:bigyikes:
 
“the Latin Mass”

A confusing phrase. From what I can tell, Pope Benedict would not be reinstating the Tridentine. He would merely return to Latin and Gregorian chant being the norm for Novus Ordo Masses within St. Peters.

What non-Catholics and even uneducated Catholics dont understand is that the changes in the Mass were NOT simply the priest facing the people and the Mass being said in the vernacular.

In fact, Latin is still the normative language for the Novus Ordo.

Benedict would just be moving towards a more conservative Novus Ordo.
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
Seriously.Genesis did you see the California Mass pictures:eek:
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Lisa,
May I ask what the California Mass pictures were? Is there a link?

Maggie
 
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XAnglican:
++In one of the old Methodist hymnals, Wesley listed about 10-12 rules for singing. One basically said that if you can’t, don’t, but if you can then sing loud!

XAnglican
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As someone once said, "if you can’t sing take off your shoes and hum " 😃 sorry couldn’t resist. —😉
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
I hate to sound uncharitable but if a priest was dancing around like that in that costume I would run:eek: Not walk far,far away.:bigyikes:
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You’re not likely to see one. The Aaronic priesthood and the golden calf are both long gone.
 
Does “traditional Mass” in this case refer to (as the Institute of Christ the King describes it) “the classical Roman Liturgy in its traditional form according to the liturgical books promulgated in 1962 by Blessed Pope John XXIII”? This is what the Institute of Christ the King has been promoting. It is very popular with young Catholics wherever the Institute is found. Here’s the link:

institute-christ-king.org/heavenly.html

Msgr. Michael Schmitz from the Institute of Christ the King is German and spoke about the ancient liturgy with then Cardinal Ratzinger which he mentions in this interview:

ignatiusinsight.com/features2005/pope_msgr_may05.asp

“Also, I had the chance to meet him several times in audiences and only recently, during the year before his election, he received the Prior General of the Institute of Christ the King, Msgr. Gilles Wach, and me for a meeting where we could present to him the more recent developments of our young community. During this occasion the Cardinal again showed his interest and love for all matters liturgical and especially his deep respect for the more ancient forms of the Roman Rite.”

The Masses with Pope John Paul II fit the times in which he was our Pope but I think many Catholics are desiring a return to more traditional Masses.
 
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