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Is it true that some Catholic parishes are taking down artwork and icons down so the parishes can be more " Protestant friendly" ?

Woudent this interfear with our tradition?

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Well, I guess anything is possible. But I think to have any sort of fruitful discussion you will need to provide a link to a source for your question. Otherwise, we are just tilting at windmills.
 
Is it true that some Catholic parishes are taking down artwork and icons down so the parishes can be more " Protestant friendly" ?

Woudent this interfear with our tradition?

God Bless!
Which parishes? Where & when?
 
From the 2002 General Instruction of the Roman Missal (GIRM) approved for the USA, which can be accessed from romanrite.com/girm.html :
“Sacred Images
318. In the earthly Liturgy, the Church participates, by a foretaste, in that heavenly Liturgy which is celebrated in the holy city of Jerusalem toward which she journeys as a pilgrim, and where Christ is sitting at the right hand of God; and by venerating the memory of the Saints, she hopes one day to have some part and fellowship with them.
[footnote 132: Cf. Second Vatican Ecumenical Council, Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Sacrosanctum Concilium, no. 8.]
Thus, images of the Lord, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and the Saints, in accordance with the Church’s most ancient tradition, should be displayed for veneration by the faithful in sacred buildings
[footnote 133:
Cf. The Roman Pontifical: Order of the Dedication of a Church and an Altar, editio typica, 1984, Chapter 4, no. 10;
The Roman Ritual, Book of Blessings, editio typica, 1984, Order for the Blessing of Images for Public Veneration by the Faithful, nos. 984-1031.]
and should be arranged so as to usher the faithful toward the mysteries of faith celebrated there. For this reason, care should be taken that their number not be increased indiscriminately, and that they be arranged in proper order so as not to distract the faithful’s attention from the celebration itself.
[footnote 134: Cf. Second Vatican Ecumenical Council, Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy, Sacrosanctum Concilium, no. 125.]
There should usually be only one image of any given Saint. Generally speaking, in the ornamentation and arrangement of a church as far as images are concerned, provision should be made for the devotion of the entire community as well as for the beauty and dignity of the images.”

The footnote above about the Book of Blessings, n. 984-1031, refers to n. 1257-1304 of Book of Blessings, Liturgical Press, Minnesota, 1989, ISBN 0-8146-1875-8. (The numbers change from the Latin edition to the USA edition.)

It has in n. 1259: “Whenever a new sacred image is first exposed for public veneration by the faithful, particularly in a church, there should be a solemn blessing by use of the special rite given here; but the rite is not to be celebrated within Mass.”

The 2001 Directory on Popular Piety and the Liturgy is at vatican.va/roman_curia/co…ttorio_en.html . It has a index at the end, with lots of references listed under “images”. In particular:

"18. … So as to ensure that the iconography used in sacred places is not left to private initiatives, those with responsibility for churches and oratories should safeguard the dignity, beauty and quality of those sacred images exposed for public veneration. Likewise, they should avoid the de facto imposition on the community of pictures or statues inspired by the private devotion of individuals(22).

The Bishops, therefore, and the rectors of sanctuaries are to ensure that the sacred images produced for the use of the faithful, either in their homes or on their persons, or those borne aloft on their shoulders, are not reduced to banalities, nor risk giving rise to error."​

In my opinion, it had nothing to do with making it more Protestant friendly but to make it more Catholic friendly.
 
I have not seen any established parishes removing statues. Perhaps some did to comply with the GIRM. Perhaps they had more than one Saint Theresa so they romoved one statue of her. 🤷
 
I have seen parishes without *many *statues. But i have never seen or heard of a parish that took statues or other artwork our of the church for the express purpose of being more 'protestant friendly".

Artwork is expensive and a new parish may not be able to afford everything they might want. In a similar way, an odler parish may not be able to afford to have things cleaned or repaired and so might move more fragile items.
 
Is this true? Yes.

Is it right? No, never, it’s ridiculous.

Some parishes like to use the excuse of removing beautiful statues and sacred art to go along with the “spirit of Vatican II”, even though the Council never mandated as much as removing a speck of dust.

Churches should not do it, and like another poster has referenced Canon Law I think if you ever hear of a parish doing this, you should speak to the Parish Priest.

I know they want to do it so they can be like our seperated brethren, but that’s not how it works. Christ only founded one Church, and we conform to Her. She does not conform to other religions! It is the mystical body of Christ! And as well as making Churches beautiful, statues and art foster devotion and help us meditate on the mysteries of the Church.

We can meditate more easily by looking at a statue or image and venerating it!
 
I know they want to do it so they can be like our seperated brethren,
Do you *really *know of a Catholic church that took out statues for the express purpose of being more ‘like our separeted brethren’? I have never encountered that. I have been in some very simple plain Catholic churches, but the reasons had to do with things other than being like a protestant. And I don’t know of any churches that took out artwork without also doing some kind of renovations for repairs or to increase the size of the sanctuary.
 
Do you *really *know of a Catholic church that took out statues for the express purpose of being more ‘like our separeted brethren’? I have never encountered that. I have been in some very simple plain Catholic churches, but the reasons had to do with things other than being like a protestant. And I don’t know of any churches that took out artwork without also doing some kind of renovations for repairs or to increase the size of the sanctuary.
I agree with you that church design has nothing to do with wanting to look like a Protestant church. Even in Catholic churches that are of simple design, there are always the Stations of the Cross, a crucifix displayed, and sometimes only one statue and it is of Our Lady.
 
My OF parish which is very ‘modern’ and American in everything (meaning that the TLM crowd would/should drive by very quickly 😃 ) has just added a very nice big and antique statue of St. Ann.

Surely this is a miracle!!! (really) :signofcross:

It will be the first statue added in over a hundred years!
 
It was just something I here’d.
well not quite what you heard…

but certainly in England where churches had halls and have icons etc the press did print a few stories where people hiring the church halls demanded that icons etc to be removed. Not protestants as you seemed to have heard, but general public hiring the halls.But don’t actually know because Media will print anything sometimes and will juice a story up a bit too to make it readable etc. But I think that has sort of thing has gone now I hope. I think if I was in charge of hall bookings etc and someone was hiring it out and requested anything to be removed I would tell them to go elsewhere because they know it a church hall before booking. 😦 even if it risks loosing income. I’d rather see them go rather than pander to their false politically correct notions.
 
Is it true that some Catholic parishes are taking down artwork and icons down so the parishes can be more " Protestant friendly" ?

Woudent this interfear with our tradition?

God Bless!
I have seen a few churches doing that even if I cannot say that the motive was to be protestant friendly. However, lately I have seen churches that are doing exactly the opposite but I cannot say that the motive is to antagonize protestants.
 
Even in Catholic churches that are of simple design, there are always the Stations of the Cross, a crucifix displayed, and sometimes only one statue and it is of Our Lady.
The Newman Center church [sic] in my town has no statues, no stations, no images, no crucifix, no pews, and no kneelers. There are folding chairs set up in a circle around the altar. Our Bishop is well aware of the situation, as he celebrates Mass there for the college students on a regular basis.

Kyrie eleison.
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ETA: There is also no confessional and no scheduled confession times because, as you know, college students never sin…
 
The Newman Center church [sic] in my town has no statues, no stations, no images, no crucifix, no pews, and no kneelers. There are folding chairs set up in a circle around the altar. Our Bishop is well aware of the situation, as he celebrates Mass there for the college students on a regular basis.

Kyrie eleison.
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ETA: There is also no confessional and no scheduled confession times because, as you know, college students never sin…
I’m sorry to hear about that sad situation! Maybe it is because that is all they can afford right now? Are they encouraged to go to confession by appointment? (although privacy should be available.)

There are even posters available with pictures of icons on them, leaflets telling about various devotions, etc.

I hope and pray that situation changes. (name removed by moderator)ut from concerned students can help? Anyone in charge?

The daughter of a dear friend of mine had the exact opposite experience in the parish church near the university she is going to. For years that church has grown in their ministry to those young adults. There are prayer times, retreats, socials, filled up adoration of the Blessed Sacrament, rosary groups. A few months ago there was a write up in the National Catholic Register about the successful ministering to the young adults at this parish near the university.

With God all things are possible. 🙂
 
I’m sorry to hear about that sad situation! Maybe it is because that is all they can afford right now? Are they encouraged to go to confession by appointment? (although privacy should be available.)

There are even posters available with pictures of icons on them, leaflets telling about various devotions, etc.

I hope and pray that situation changes. (name removed by moderator)ut from concerned students can help? Anyone in charge?

The daughter of a dear friend of mine had the exact opposite experience in the parish church near the university she is going to. For years that church has grown in their ministry to those young adults. There are prayer times, retreats, socials, filled up adoration of the Blessed Sacrament, rosary groups. A few months ago there was a write up in the National Catholic Register about the successful ministering to the young adults at this parish near the university.

With God all things are possible. 🙂
Our diocese is quite anti-traditional. I’m sure it is done intentionally. Our Bishop just turned 75, though, so we should be getting a new Pastor soon. Hopefully things will change.
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Our parish seems to keep adding them. 👍
Pastor on a statue buying binge like ours? :rolleyes:

He asks me a question in the chapel and I answer, I realize that he isn’t hearing a word I say, but he is staring at the new bust of Blessed Pope John Paul II. I say, “Father, are you listening to me?” and he says, “He looks young, doesn’t he?”

I love Father, but woo-wee, he loves statues lately. 😃

-Tim-
 
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