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Hello everyone. For a long time, I have heard about a type of meditation in which the person simply empties their mind of all thoughts. If any thoughts enter the mind during the meditation session, the thoughts are simply acknowledged and basically then dismissed. This form of meditation is supposed to be deeply relaxing and is supposed to have numerous health benefits. However, I just wonder, is this form of meditation acceptable for Catholics to practice? I am curious because I believe this form of meditation derives from some oriental spiritual practices. Does the Church say anything about this?
 
I’m glad you asked.

What you are describing are contemplative prayer forms.

As long as your conscious mind is busy paying attention to thoughts of your own, whether good or bad, that hinders your mind from being fully open and available for God to send His Spirit in, to come in, take over, and clean house, essentially. The contemplative prayer form is your being willing to let God come in, unhindered by your thoughts, beliefs, and biases. It is an invitation to Him.

If God answers the invitation, which He may or may not do at any given moment, according to His will, that is called “contemplation,” and is a gift. Keep in mind that if you say, “I am doing contemplation,” some people will correct you and say, “you can’t ***do ***contemplation, you receive it as a gift if and when He will to give it to you.”

It’s like when Jesus said to go into your inner room and pray. I think that doesn’t mean like a small room in the house, because the houses then only had but a single room. To me, it means to go into a state of mind where you are not afraid to let go and let God in, as it were. You expose yourself to God, by uncovering your heart. I look at it like covering your light with a bushel basket. If the basket is thick and strong, nobody can see your light, and God can’t tend it. You have to open up and let God through.

The Catechism speaks of three forms of prayer, vocal, meditative, and contemplative. It says that prayer should go on past the first two stages and into the third, which is true union with God. So the Church not only allows contemplative prayer forms, she urges us to participate as a necessary step in seeking union with Christ.

Now, if you ask which of the popular contemplative prayer forms are valid, you will get controversy. I’m not sure why, but you do. One kind is a banned topic here, so I’m writing this as a caution and not as bait to get you into the discussion of a particular “method.” If you wish to avoid that, just restrict your discussion to Lectio Divina, or “divine reading,” which is not controversial and actually addressed the Bible at several levels of intimacy, culminating with contemplative prayer. It’s been used in monasteries for centuries. Whatever the form, the mechanics and the effects involved are the same. Contemplation is the gift we seek, and invite Him to give it to us by shutting off our silly mind so it won’t be making so much “noise” and we can be more sensitive to God’s word, in His own language, which is silence.

Reference CCC 2700-2724. Excerpts follow:
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2708
Meditation engages thought, imagination, emotion, and desire. This mobilization of faculties is necessary in order to deepen our convictions of faith, prompt the conversion of our heart, and strengthen our will to follow Christ. Christian prayer tries above all to meditate on the mysteries of Christ, as in lectio divina or the rosary. This form of prayerful reflection is of great value, but Christian prayer should go further: to the knowledge of the love of the Lord Jesus, to union with him.

2709
What is contemplative prayer? St. Teresa answers: "Contemplative prayer [oración mental] in my opinion is nothing else than a close sharing between friends; it means taking time frequently to be alone with him who we know loves us."6 Contemplative prayer seeks him "whom my soul loves."7 It is Jesus, and in him, the Father. We seek him, because to desire him is always the beginning of love, and we seek him in that pure faith which causes us to be born of him and to live in him. In this inner prayer we can still meditate, but our attention is fixed on the Lord himself.

2713
Contemplative prayer is the simplest expression of the mystery of prayer. It is a gift, a grace; it can be accepted only in humility and poverty. Contemplative prayer is a covenant relationship established by God within our hearts.9 Contemplative prayer is a communion in which the Holy Trinity conforms man, the image of God, “to his likeness.”

2716
Contemplative prayer is hearing the Word of God. Far from being passive, such attentiveness is the obedience of faith, the unconditional acceptance of a servant, and the loving commitment of a child. It participates in the “Yes” of the Son become servant and the Fiat of God’s lowly handmaid.

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Contemplative prayer is silence, the "symbol of the world to come"12 or "silent love."13 Words in this kind of prayer are not speeches; they are like kindling that feeds the fire of love. In this silence, unbearable to the “outer” man, the Father speaks to us his incarnate Word, who suffered, died, and rose; in this silence the Spirit of adoption enables us to share in the prayer of Jesus.

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Contemplative prayer is a union with the prayer of Christ insofar as it makes us participate in his mystery. The mystery of Christ is celebrated by the Church in the Eucharist, and the Holy Spirit makes it come alive in contemplative prayer so that our charity will manifest it in our acts.

2724
Contemplative prayer is the simple expression of the mystery of prayer. It is a gaze of faith fixed on Jesus, an attentiveness to the Word of God, a silent love. It achieves real union with the prayer of Christ to the extent that it makes us share in his mystery.
I hope this answers your questions. 🙂

Alan
 
Hello everyone. For a long time, I have heard about a type of meditation in which the person simply empties their mind of all thoughts. If any thoughts enter the mind during the meditation session, the thoughts are simply acknowledged and basically then dismissed. This form of meditation is supposed to be deeply relaxing and is supposed to have numerous health benefits. However, I just wonder, is this form of meditation acceptable for Catholics to practice? I am curious because I believe this form of meditation derives from some oriental spiritual practices. Does the Church say anything about this?
May I suggest you research Jewish or other Catholic meditative techniques. They do not empty the mind, and are just as benificial. The problem with emptying your mind, is that you have no way of controling what may transpire. If you are going to attempt this type of meditation, I would seriously urge you to find a qualified Teacher who can guide you through this. It is one of the more dangerous types of meditation. It is Eastern in practice, so I would suggest you find a qualified Buddhist or Hindu if you are insistent on proceding. Judaism also has as one of its meditative techniques a very similar practice, but it is for those who have years of experience and know the dangers. You can achieve the same benefits through the Rosary, Chaplet of Divine Mercy. And these are safer. Peace to you and yours.
 
Holly2378:This meditation sounds perfectly fine to me and I dont know of any catholic teaches which prohibits it.However I dont see what benefit it would be of getting a better relationship with God since you arent addressing Him .Like you said it may be a way to relax and help in reducing stress.Sometimes I do the same thing but eventually my thoughts return to God and I find myself in prayer.
 
I know that there are some forms of it that are EXTREMELY dangerous without a properly educated spiritual father on hand. Unless properly guided, they lead to pride at best and open one up to demonic attacks at worst. BE CAREFUL!!!
 
May I suggest you research Jewish or other Catholic meditative techniques. They do not empty the mind, and are just as benificial. The problem with emptying your mind, is that you have no way of controling what may transpire. If you are going to attempt this type of meditation, I would seriously urge you to find a qualified Teacher who can guide you through this. It is one of the more dangerous types of meditation. It is Eastern in practice, so I would suggest you find a qualified Buddhist or Hindu if you are insistent on proceding. Judaism also has as one of its meditative techniques a very similar practice, but it is for those who have years of experience and know the dangers. You can achieve the same benefits through the Rosary, Chaplet of Divine Mercy. And these are safer. Peace to you and yours.
Do you have any direct experience with contemplative prayers? I’ve heard these objections before, and invariably they are from people a) have a political agenda at stake, and/or b) misrepresent the teaching associated with contemplative prayer. :tsktsk:

The only times I’ve heard anybody with any problems to speak of, what they describe is not actually a contemplative prayer form but some procedure that a leader who clearly didn’t understand what was going on, had made up his/her own procedure, which did not reflect the intent of the prayer.

As far as emptying the mind being dangerous and whatever, I’ve heard (but can’t locate right now) teachings on that. It is commonly used as an attack against contemplative prayer, trying to scare Catholics out of participating in it.

Catholics would do well to refer to the Catechism article I linked above, and not listen to these spiritual Chicken Littles. :eek:

Alan
 
I know that there are some forms of it that are EXTREMELY dangerous without a properly educated spiritual father on hand. Unless properly guided, they lead to pride at best and open one up to demonic attacks at worst. BE CAREFUL!!!
Do you have an example of that, and if so, can you give us some details about the claims being made and on what basis? If the articles are about “centering prayer” then we cannot discuss it on this forum. If they are not, I’d like to hear what’s being said so I can see if what they are claiming to be dangerous is, in fact, contemplative prayer.

Alan
 
Holly,

This is an accepted form of Christian prayer known as contemplation. A person called to contemplation should begin to cease discursive prayer and embrace contemplation, which is a gift from God.

There is an online book by Fr. Jordan Aumann called "Spiritual Theology:- you might be interested in the chapters on “Grades of Prayer.”
Just Google “aumann spiritual theology” and it will come up.
 
I’m glad you asked.

What you are describing are contemplative prayer forms.

As long as your conscious mind is busy paying attention to thoughts of your own, whether good or bad, that hinders your mind from being fully open and available for God to send His Spirit in, to come in, take over, and clean house, essentially. The contemplative prayer form is your being willing to let God come in, unhindered by your thoughts, beliefs, and biases. It is an invitation to Him.

If God answers the invitation, which He may or may not do at any given moment, according to His will, that is called “contemplation,” and is a gift. Keep in mind that if you say, “I am doing contemplation,” some people will correct you and say, “you can’t ***do ***contemplation, you receive it as a gift if and when He will to give it to you.”

It’s like when Jesus said to go into your inner room and pray. I think that doesn’t mean like a small room in the house, because the houses then only had but a single room. To me, it means to go into a state of mind where you are not afraid to let go and let God in, as it were. You expose yourself to God, by uncovering your heart. I look at it like covering your light with a bushel basket. If the basket is thick and strong, nobody can see your light, and God can’t tend it. You have to open up and let God through.

The Catechism speaks of three forms of prayer, vocal, meditative, and contemplative. It says that prayer should go on past the first two stages and into the third, which is true union with God. So the Church not only allows contemplative prayer forms, she urges us to participate as a necessary step in seeking union with Christ.

Now, if you ask which of the popular contemplative prayer forms are valid, you will get controversy. I’m not sure why, but you do. One kind is a banned topic here, so I’m writing this as a caution and not as bait to get you into the discussion of a particular “method.” If you wish to avoid that, just restrict your discussion to Lectio Divina, or “divine reading,” which is not controversial and actually addressed the Bible at several levels of intimacy, culminating with contemplative prayer. It’s been used in monasteries for centuries. Whatever the form, the mechanics and the effects involved are the same. Contemplation is the gift we seek, and invite Him to give it to us by shutting off our silly mind so it won’t be making so much “noise” and we can be more sensitive to God’s word, in His own language, which is silence.

Reference CCC 2700-2724. Excerpts follow:

I hope this answers your questions. 🙂

Alan
Thank you Alan. That portion of the Catechism of the Catholic Church is helpful. I still don’t fully understand contemplative prayer though. Would you happen to know of any other official Catholic documents that speak of it? Or perhaps you might know of something from one of the saints that speaks of it?
May I suggest you research Jewish or other Catholic meditative techniques. They do not empty the mind, and are just as benificial. The problem with emptying your mind, is that you have no way of controling what may transpire. If you are going to attempt this type of meditation, I would seriously urge you to find a qualified Teacher who can guide you through this. It is one of the more dangerous types of meditation. It is Eastern in practice, so I would suggest you find a qualified Buddhist or Hindu if you are insistent on proceding. Judaism also has as one of its meditative techniques a very similar practice, but it is for those who have years of experience and know the dangers. You can achieve the same benefits through the Rosary, Chaplet of Divine Mercy. And these are safer. Peace to you and yours.
Hello Benidict. I am interested in this type of meditation only as a form of relaxation and possibly as a form of prayer if it can be used as that. That said, I definitely will not seek out a Hindu or Buddhist teacher on this. I do not wish to receive some sort of instruction which would lead me astray and I am afraid that if I went to be taught by a Hindu or a Buddhist, that may very well happen. I believe I will stick with only Catholic or possibly Eastern Orthodox Christian sources (preferably Catholic though).
Holly2378:This meditation sounds perfectly fine to me and I dont know of any catholic teaches which prohibits it.However I dont see what benefit it would be of getting a better relationship with God since you arent addressing Him .Like you said it may be a way to relax and help in reducing stress.Sometimes I do the same thing but eventually my thoughts return to God and I find myself in prayer.
Thanks for your opinion and information Valentino. I am still not entirely sure myself. I may choose to ask my priest about this.
I know that there are some forms of it that are EXTREMELY dangerous without a properly educated spiritual father on hand. Unless properly guided, they lead to pride at best and open one up to demonic attacks at worst. BE CAREFUL!!!
Yes, that is what I am concerned about RuthByzCat3. I am afraid that practicing this form of meditation may be spiritually dangerous. That is why I am not going to engage in this form of meditation until I am absolutely sure that it is safe.
 
Do you have any direct experience with contemplative prayers? I’ve heard these objections before, and invariably they are from people a) have a political agenda at stake, and/or b) misrepresent the teaching associated with contemplative prayer. :tsktsk:

The only times I’ve heard anybody with any problems to speak of, what they describe is not actually a contemplative prayer form but some procedure that a leader who clearly didn’t understand what was going on, had made up his/her own procedure, which did not reflect the intent of the prayer.

As far as emptying the mind being dangerous and whatever, I’ve heard (but can’t locate right now) teachings on that. It is commonly used as an attack against contemplative prayer, trying to scare Catholics out of participating in it.

Catholics would do well to refer to the Catechism article I linked above, and not listen to these spiritual Chicken Littles. :eek:

Alan
Well Alan, the Catechism is definitely a good place to start and I am by no means trying to belittle your experience or knowledge of this issue. However, I am a little wary of trying this form of meditation myself. The reason is because I have never heard of any sort of Catholic practice of this kind. I have only ever heard of members of Eastern religions practicing this sort of meditation. So yeah, I am a little wary of this as well. That said, I would like to hear more about this form of meditation from all of you. If you have official Catholic sources such as encyclicals to reference, please do so.
 
The thing about contemplative prayer is that it is a gift from God, and not something a person can simply achieve by trying and using various techniques. God leads the soul on the paths of prayer according to His will. St. Teresa of Avila wrote extensively on contemplative prayer, as did St. John of the Cross. You might find the book, Fire Within, by Thomas Dubay, helpful in explaining things about the ways of prayer.
 
=Holly3278;7669958]Hello everyone. For a long time, I have heard about a type of meditation in which the person simply empties their mind of all thoughts. If any thoughts enter the mind during the meditation session, the thoughts are simply acknowledged and basically then dismissed. This form of meditation is supposed to be deeply relaxing and is supposed to have numerous health benefits. However, I just wonder, is this form of meditation acceptable for Catholics to practice? I am curious because I believe this form of meditation derives from some oriental spiritual practices. Does the Church say anything about this?
While there are forms of Meditation acceptable and useful; this one is a “dangerous” practice. WHY?

Because it leaves a void that Satan can easily fill.

More acceptable and spiritually beneficial Meditations almost always center around the Passion and Death od Christ. For example; take the Five Sorrowful Mysteries, choose One, place yourself at the scene and think and pray deeply about it.

I would also point out that Meditation is not the best form of personal piety for everyone.

God Bless,
Pat
 
I don’t understand why people would freak out about a different kind of prayer. As long as your heart is in it for God, does it really matter what source you got the prayer from? There are plenty of things in the Catholic church that weren’t originally Catholic, but we took them and transformed them into an acceptable form of worship. I personally love contemplative prayer. I find great enjoyment in finding a quiet space, outside if possible, and emptying my mind of worries and stress, and just letting the Love of God flow through me. It’s very nice, I assure you. shrug
 
I don’t understand why people would freak out about a different kind of prayer. As long as your heart is in it for God, does it really matter what source you got the prayer from? There are plenty of things in the Catholic church that weren’t originally Catholic, but we took them and transformed them into an acceptable form of worship. I personally love contemplative prayer. I find great enjoyment in finding a quiet space, outside if possible, and emptying my mind of worries and stress, and just letting the Love of God flow through me. It’s very nice, I assure you. shrug
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Thank you. I don’t understand the panic either but I’ve seen what some influential Catholics have written about certain other Catholics, and it is astounding how close they can be to knowing what’s going on, but with one or more fact wrong that turns everything negative.

Anyone afraid to engage in contemplative prayer forms because they think it is an open door to satan, should never sit quietly before the Blessed Eucharist, unless they have a program of active prayers, keeping their mind busy and immune for anything to get in. Sure, you’ve protected yourself against influence with satan, but so have you erected a barrier to protect yourself against God.

I’ll look for more “obviously Catholic” references to try to assuage concerns about this “dangerous” thing, if I have time and inclination. I have shown what the CCC says about contemplative prayer, and I beg anyone to show me any sort of warning involved or referenced by the CCC. Those who say we should be careful because what the CCC describes as something we should do is dangerous, then the burden of proof is on them to explain why they would prevent a brother or sister from engaging in a different Catholic devotion than they do.

One reference I can think of offhand, is the spiritual masterpiece, the Cloud of the Unknowing. I’ve never heard of a Catholic raise the objection about this masterpiece in mystical theology, written several centuries ago by an anonymous author. There are many translations, some very difficult to read. The one I like that was recommended to me is by William Johnston and can be viewed on amazon.com – unfortunately the excerpt from the book contains not the actual text but part of the (lengthy) introduction. I don’t know if this or another good translation is online.

Be warned, though, that the Cloud is not for everyone. Near the beginning of the book it states that if anyone intends to critique the book, the author would rather them not read it at all. Plus, if we recommend to book to others it should be people we know to be focused on living a moral life and … I don’t know what else. Refer to the first chapters of the book to find out what it really says; it’s been a few years since I last read it.

Peace,
Alan
 
Do you have an example of that, and if so, can you give us some details about the claims being made and on what basis? If the articles are about “centering prayer” then we cannot discuss it on this forum. If they are not, I’d like to hear what’s being said so I can see if what they are claiming to be dangerous is, in fact, contemplative prayer.

Alan
Look in any book or on any credible website about the tradition of hesychasm and one of the first warnings you will find is a warning not to proceed to the deeper forms of meditation without proper spiritual guidance.
 
Ok, so how do we know that this form of meditation which I described in the original post is the same thing as contemplative prayer though?
 
Look in any book or on any credible website about the tradition of hesychasm and one of the first warnings you will find is a warning not to proceed to the deeper forms of meditation without proper spiritual guidance.
I’ve seen websites that were considered credible and very Catholic, that say some very surprising things based on assumptions that are objectively untrue. 😦

If you have a particular website in mind, please link to it and we can examine it together. 👍

Alan
 
Ok, so how do we know that this form of meditation which I described in the original post is the same thing as contemplative prayer though?
Because what you described is not, the way I understand the CCC, a form of meditation. When you empty your mind and dismiss thoughts, that’s an invitation to contemplation.

Meditation, including in eastern forms, involves a “mantra” or otherwise involves active use of thoughts and words. If we transcend words and our human thoughts, we have crossed over from meditation into contemplation.

That’s how I understand it, anyway.

I’ll disclose a testimony that I’ve been trying to keep increasingly quiet about, but can’t. I was very ill, beyond hopes of doctors for improvement, and through spiritual direction and many other efforts, including contemplative prayer, the Lord has seen fit to remove my affliction thoroughly and convincingly. In 2001 I lost my job and 20 year career as an electrical engineer, due to the onset of a severe case of bipolar disorder. I was locked up against my will, and based on false statement that a clerk made about me. Note that I didn’t have the same rights as criminal suspects, in that they would not tell me nor were they required to, why they locked me up and who signed the order. It was three days after I was locked up that I met the woman who had me locked up based on hearsay of a non-professional. So anyway, I digress. A couple years ago, a federal judge found that I am completely and permanently disabled. My own psychiatrist, who is much more optimistic than many psychiatrist jerks, told me straight up that I can depend on having trouble with my illness, for the rest of my life.

Let me tell you, I was on a spiritual, mental, and emotional roller coaster the likes of which I cannot do justice with words. I said, thought, and did things that I could not describe to the strongest of posters without their being repulsed. And I did it all believing that I was being guided by the Holy Spirit.

The different between a worldly psychiatrist and the Divine Therapist, is that God heals you and reverses the damage, whereas psychiatrists only can treat the observable symptoms, and hope the mind fixes itself somehow. My doc said psychiatric medicine is like a cast on a leg; the cast doesn’t heal the leg, but it holds things in place and protects against further damage while the leg heals itself.

Why do I mention this? Because contemplative prayer was at the cornerstone of the spiritual guidance that I received, and it was clearly a major part of my healing. If you have never experienced mental illness first hand, then I can’t tell you how wonderful it is to be sane.

So taking a round trip from sanity and high performance, working in technical position in Bell Labs, to raving lunacy, and then through the work of the Lord, I have been brought back. If it hadn’t been for contemplative prayer, I would likely be locked up right now.

Another thing is to consider: if you want to be reborn, that is let God renew your mind and spirit, then you have to get beyond everything that is already in your mind, including your imagination. If a person refuses to hear anything that doesn’t make sense according to their own belief system, they aren’t going to hear it. In essence, they are restricting God’s capability to that of their own capacity to understand His work. http://bestsmileys.com/notlistening/2.gif

Well, Jesus didn’t make sense. He said things that were true beyond any way that “normal” people could imagine. So since they couldn’t figure it out, they rejected it. So consider when you say, “why would you listen to a person who is officially insane,” is to say you wish to cling to your mind the way it is, and not open for healing or improvement.

You can say that I am mistaken in my conviction (I’ll skip a lengthy explanation for now) that contemplative prayer was a necessary element of my healing – mentally, emotionally, and spiritually, then think what you want. Anyone who fears using a prayer form that the CCC endorses and encourages, should probably stay away from that prayer form, because it isn’t likely to do them any good anyway.

Mentally and emotionally is obvious, and doctors and other people can confirm it. For the spiritual part, I relay the observation that even amid worldly circumstances that are “worse” then any I’d ever thought I’d deal with, I am more at peace and with more joy than ever before, even when I was a little overachieving nerd kid. :extrahappy:

So in summary, I shout from the proverbial rooftops what the Lord has done for me, that the world was not able to do. I believe the Lord will show you just as much love, I would expect, as He showed me. Maybe you don’t have a mental illness; imagine where God could take you from this starting point. :hmmm:

“God loves me. That doesn’t make me special; that just mean God has poor taste.” – Rich Mullins

“Think outside the box. It will help you find the way back into the box, if that’s what you want.” – I just made that up.

Peace and ❤️,
Alan

BTW, by “outside the box” I mean you must have faith and trust in the Lord, to allow Him to take you on a trip to the Cloud of the Unknowing, for it is at and beyond that boundary that we learn things and meet God.

Another quote from Rich Mullins from his song Screen Door: “You have to take a leap off of a ship before you claim to walk on water.”
 
Do you have any direct experience with contemplative prayers? I’ve heard these objections before, and invariably they are from people a) have a political agenda at stake, and/or b) misrepresent the teaching associated with contemplative prayer. :tsktsk:

The only times I’ve heard anybody with any problems to speak of, what they describe is not actually a contemplative prayer form but some procedure that a leader who clearly didn’t understand what was going on, had made up his/her own procedure, which did not reflect the intent of the prayer.

As far as emptying the mind being dangerous and whatever, I’ve heard (but can’t locate right now) teachings on that. It is commonly used as an attack against contemplative prayer, trying to scare Catholics out of participating in it.

Catholics would do well to refer to the Catechism article I linked above, and not listen to these spiritual Chicken Littles. :eek:

Alan
Wow! Did you even read my Post! what did I say? I think your way off base here to be accusing me of Attacking contemplative prayer! I practice traditions derived from the Kabballah, And also use all sorts of Contemplative methods offered by Our Church. The type of meditation where one Empties their mind though, can be inherently dangerous. I would refer the OP to Sufjon, who is a practicing Hindu, who would agree with me on this. I was suggesting that if The OP wishes to proceed with this technique they should seek out the Guidance of One Who Is Knowledgable. You would have them take a journey, that to an uninitiated person can really mess them up. Ive been studying and practicing differing meditative techniques for over 25 years. To just jump right in to a higher form of meditation with no guidance is simply STUPID, and DANGEROUS. but what do I know?:coffeeread:
 
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