Is this video true, and if so, what does it mean to our faith?

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It’s a warped, biased, and slanted version.

Books have already been written refuting this approach.
 
It’s a warped, biased, and slanted version.

Books have already been written refuting this approach.
I am curious about this topic, because I have a friend that is convinced of it. Are you aware of any good articles concerning this? If not, what book would you recommend?

Thanks for the help!
 
I really enjoyed these videos! ! !

I cannot explain why, but they actually strengthened my faith!

I am hoping the Holy Spirit will be able to explain to my why!
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You had a SUPERNATURAL CONVERSION!!!
 
Claim #1-Horus and Jesus are born from a virgin.

Horus’s mother is Isis. Isis was married to Osiris. We do not know for what length of time, but presumably the marriage was consummated. Whether it was or wasn’t doesn’t matter though. After Osiris is killed, Isis puts him back together again (he was hacked into 14 pieces) except for his penis which was tossed in a river or a lake. Iris fashions a substitute penis for him, humps him and here comes Horus. There is nothing virginal about that.

Claim #2-Both Horus and Jesus were born to a Mary and Joseph. (Seb)

As noted Isis is Horus’s mother’s name not Mary. In addition, Seb is not Horus’s father, Osiris is. Seb is Osiris’s father. Further, Seb is a distinct name from Joseph. Putting them side by side does not make them synonyms, and that appears to be what was done here.

Claim #3-Both were born of royal descent.

This is accurate.

Claim #4-Both births were announced by angels and witnessed by shepherds.

I can find nothing that mentions that the birth of Horus was announced by an angel or witnessed by shepherds. I have found that Horus was born in a swamp, which is a pretty unlikely place for shepherds. In addition Acharya mentions that Horus was born in a cave. Massey makes no mention of this, although he does represent that Mithra was born in a cave.

Claim #5-Both were heralded by stars and angels.

There is no star that heralded Horus’s birth nor is there any angel announcing it. Archarya in a footnote in The Origins of Christianity indicates that that there are three stars named the three kings in Orion and then relates this to the birth of Jesus. When we look to the stories regarding Horus, we find no star or angel announcing his birth. To the extent that Acharya S relies upon Massey and Massey relies upon what is depicted in the panels at Luxor see (from an atheist) further regarding virgin birth and pronouncement by angels frontline-apologetics.com…nscription.htm

Claim #6-Both had later visitors (Horus-3 deities and Jesus-3 wisemen.)

There is no indication that there ever were 3 wisemen. The bible never mentions the number of wisemen, nor is there any document that reflects 3 deities at the birth of Horus. See the website referenced in Claim #5.

Claim #7-Both had murder plots against them.

There is mention that Seth did want to kill Horus, and Herod wanted to kill Jesus. so this is accurate.

Claim#8-Both came of age at 12, were baptized and their baptizers were executed.

There is no indication that Horus was preaching in a temple when he was 12. In fact, Massey indicates that Hours the child was depicted as a “weakling.” That doesn’t jive with story of Jesus preaching in the temple. Again this appears to have been a confabulation from Acharya and repeated by others.

Horus was never baptized in any of the Horus stories. In addition, Acharya mentions that John the Baptist is actually Anup the Baptizer. This individual is never mentioned anywhere in any Horus account. There is not even a footnote in Archaya’s on-line work The Origins of Christianity to support this. There is nothing.

Claim #9-Both had 12 disciples.

According to the Horus accounts, Horus had four semi-gods that were followers. There is some indication of 16 human followers and an unknown number of blacksmiths that went into battle with him. Horus did not have 12 disciples. Jesus reportedly did. Acharya failed to give a footnote to support this.

Massey points to a mural in the Book of Hades in which there are twelve reapers. Horus is not present in this scene. For Massey to make this connection he goes to a different scene within the same mural. In this scene there is a picture of a god whose name is the Master of Joy. Horus is never depicted although in other murals the artists do depict Horus. Had the artists ascribed 12 reapers in any relation to Horus all they had to do was put Horus at the scene. They did not.

Claim #10-Both walked on water.

Horus didn’t, or at least there is no record that I can find that he did. Massey does not maintain that Hours did. Massey uses wild conjecture to connect the story of fish man, Oannes, not Horus, to Jesus. Oannes came out of the sea during the day, and went back into the sea at night. Massey makes the two analogous because by his calculations, Jesus walked on water during the day.

Claim #11-Both performed miracles.

This is true although the miracles were different in scope and nature.

Claim #12 Both exorcised demons and raised Lazarus.

The actual claim is that Horus raised Osiris from the dead and that the name Osiris morphed to Lazarus. It doesn’t matter because Horus did not bring Osiris back to life. There is no mention of this in any document regarding the story. Horus did avenge Osiris’s death, but that did not raise Osiris from the dead.

Claim #13-Both held a Sermon on the Mount; both were transfigured on a mountain, died by crucifixion along with two thieves and were buried in tombs where they paid a quick visit to Hell and then rose from the dead after 3 days time, both resurrections were witness by women, and both will supposedly reign for 1,000 years in the Millennium.

These are the most damning claims if they were proven true in my opinion. Yet, I can locate none of this. No sermon, no transfiguration, certainly no crucifixion w/ two thieves, no trip to hell and no resurrection.
 
This looks like that Zeitgeist garbage. They just released a new movie called, Zeitgeist: Addendum. It’s riddled with New Age garbage.
Don’t believe their lies. They try to discredit all religion but then subtlety promote their own New Age religion.

The creators of the movie also promote these organizations.

technocracy.org/

thevenusproject.com/
 
youtube.com/watch?v=TjGkRFFBd0A
youtube.com/watch?v=A_E0vfP79yE&NR=1
youtube.com/watch?v=pyXIeB1qI6w&NR=1

(Three parts of the same video)

Is this video true, and if so, what does it mean to our faith?
It means that the Gospels intertwine the actually teachings of Jesus with many ancient and popular myths of a Messiah type character that floater around the ancient world for hundreds of years. No doubt that after his death, many of these “miracles” were added to the story. It was like this…the story began with Jesus being born in a manger, the next time it was told the part about the star of the east was added; the next time 3 wise men. It’s a very common phenomenon.
 
Claim #1-Horus and Jesus are born from a virgin.

Horus’s mother is Isis. Isis was married to Osiris. We do not know for what length of time, but presumably the marriage was consummated. Whether it was or wasn’t doesn’t matter though. After Osiris is killed, Isis puts him back together again (he was hacked into 14 pieces) except for his penis which was tossed in a river or a lake. Iris fashions a substitute penis for him, humps him and here comes Horus. There is nothing virginal about that.

Claim #2-Both Horus and Jesus were born to a Mary and Joseph. (Seb)

As noted Isis is Horus’s mother’s name not Mary. In addition, Seb is not Horus’s father, Osiris is. Seb is Osiris’s father. Further, Seb is a distinct name from Joseph. Putting them side by side does not make them synonyms, and that appears to be what was done here.

Claim #3-Both were born of royal descent.

This is accurate.

Claim #4-Both births were announced by angels and witnessed by shepherds.

I can find nothing that mentions that the birth of Horus was announced by an angel or witnessed by shepherds. I have found that Horus was born in a swamp, which is a pretty unlikely place for shepherds. In addition Acharya mentions that Horus was born in a cave. Massey makes no mention of this, although he does represent that Mithra was born in a cave.

Claim #5-Both were heralded by stars and angels.

There is no star that heralded Horus’s birth nor is there any angel announcing it. Archarya in a footnote in The Origins of Christianity indicates that that there are three stars named the three kings in Orion and then relates this to the birth of Jesus. When we look to the stories regarding Horus, we find no star or angel announcing his birth. To the extent that Acharya S relies upon Massey and Massey relies upon what is depicted in the panels at Luxor see (from an atheist) further regarding virgin birth and pronouncement by angels frontline-apologetics.com…nscription.htm

Claim #6-Both had later visitors (Horus-3 deities and Jesus-3 wisemen.)

There is no indication that there ever were 3 wisemen. The bible never mentions the number of wisemen, nor is there any document that reflects 3 deities at the birth of Horus. See the website referenced in Claim #5.

Claim #7-Both had murder plots against them.

There is mention that Seth did want to kill Horus, and Herod wanted to kill Jesus. so this is accurate.

Claim#8-Both came of age at 12, were baptized and their baptizers were executed.

There is no indication that Horus was preaching in a temple when he was 12. In fact, Massey indicates that Hours the child was depicted as a “weakling.” That doesn’t jive with story of Jesus preaching in the temple. Again this appears to have been a confabulation from Acharya and repeated by others.

Horus was never baptized in any of the Horus stories. In addition, Acharya mentions that John the Baptist is actually Anup the Baptizer. This individual is never mentioned anywhere in any Horus account. There is not even a footnote in Archaya’s on-line work The Origins of Christianity to support this. There is nothing.

Claim #9-Both had 12 disciples.

According to the Horus accounts, Horus had four semi-gods that were followers. There is some indication of 16 human followers and an unknown number of blacksmiths that went into battle with him. Horus did not have 12 disciples. Jesus reportedly did. Acharya failed to give a footnote to support this.

Massey points to a mural in the Book of Hades in which there are twelve reapers. Horus is not present in this scene. For Massey to make this connection he goes to a different scene within the same mural. In this scene there is a picture of a god whose name is the Master of Joy. Horus is never depicted although in other murals the artists do depict Horus. Had the artists ascribed 12 reapers in any relation to Horus all they had to do was put Horus at the scene. They did not.

Claim #10-Both walked on water.

Horus didn’t, or at least there is no record that I can find that he did. Massey does not maintain that Hours did. Massey uses wild conjecture to connect the story of fish man, Oannes, not Horus, to Jesus. Oannes came out of the sea during the day, and went back into the sea at night. Massey makes the two analogous because by his calculations, Jesus walked on water during the day.

Claim #11-Both performed miracles.

This is true although the miracles were different in scope and nature.

Claim #12 Both exorcised demons and raised Lazarus.

The actual claim is that Horus raised Osiris from the dead and that the name Osiris morphed to Lazarus. It doesn’t matter because Horus did not bring Osiris back to life. There is no mention of this in any document regarding the story. Horus did avenge Osiris’s death, but that did not raise Osiris from the dead.

Claim #13-Both held a Sermon on the Mount; both were transfigured on a mountain, died by crucifixion along with two thieves and were buried in tombs where they paid a quick visit to Hell and then rose from the dead after 3 days time, both resurrections were witness by women, and both will supposedly reign for 1,000 years in the Millennium.

These are the most damning claims if they were proven true in my opinion. Yet, I can locate none of this. No sermon, no transfiguration, certainly no crucifixion w/ two thieves, no trip to hell and no resurrection.
thank you very much. from what you have said these videos are as I said said full of lies half truths and twisting of facts.
 
I am curious about this topic, because I have a friend that is convinced of it. Are you aware of any good articles concerning this? If not, what book would you recommend?

Thanks for the help!
Just google the names that are used as examples in the first video. There are many academics that have debunked this nonsense. Lots of hits…so be prepared to read through some chaff before you get to the wheat…

The videos have exactly ZERO IMPACT on my faith. Anybody can make a video and post it on Youtube… Remember, LOL…😃 "If you saw it on the internet, its got to be true!!😃 😃
 
Looking at it again I found that this is a viral video called Zeitgeist by Acharya’s and there is a companion book by DM Murdock. They have many books claiming the Jesus - Pagan connection. However, DM Murdock admittedly states that it’s difficult to prove her position deffinatively because (the default answer) Christians burned them all and she leaves off with a statement claiming Christian leaders will lead christians into a sensless war bringing about armaggedon due to ignorance. Just so you know what you’re watching. My question is how much of Christianity is read back into the book of the dead? We beleive we have an idea what it is saying but there may be idiosyncacies that we could not understand well because of lack of context.
 
Absolutely nothing - the pagan gods & goddesses of mythology have been around for years, hence the First Commandment…

Off topic but related - read up on St. Juan Diego & Our Lady of Guadalupe, who appeared to him to point the people of Mexico away from false religion to her Son. 👍
 
I posted this to another thread “zeitgeist?” yesterday, but thought it relevant here as well. Some web resouces another member provided are:
tektonics.org/copycat/copycathub.html
zeitgeistresponse.info/
preventingtruthdecay.org/…caljesus.shtml

I listened to the first half of Zeitgeist. I am in the reserve, have deployed for OIF, and also work as a fulltime government civilian. The second half of the film gives me plenty of insight into their true motives. The numerous ramblings at the beginning go even against the sensibilities of historians, Christian or not, because the speaker suggests that we should forget the past and live in the “now.” Their relation of Christ to Horus, as well as figures from other cultures, redefine the terms liberal or loose. They make these other stories sound like the exact story of Christ, but they actually misrepresent them in order to falsely fit them to the Gospels.

After listening and praying, I came to some personal conclusions. My faith is strengthened by the fact that there are some parallels between ancient Israelite stories / prophecies, and those from other peoples. As a matter of fact, it proves to me that we all came from a common set of ancestors. When we examine these stories from other cultures, however, we can see how they attempted to explain things in terms of human thinking. They assign selfish human characteristics to their god or gods, and are bereft of spiritual truth. God chose the Israelites, a tribe of slaves, the lowest of the low, not because they were better, but to show how generous He is with mankind. To show that He is the One who holds the power, not us frail human beings. The stories of the Israelites in the Old Testament are Sacred Scripture because they show Salvation History, and lead up to Christ. If Isaiah prophesied about Jesus, I should expect myths from other cultures to have some element of the truth, since we do come from common parents. However, that doesn’t mean that these other cultures interpreted them correctly. Instead, they chose to put a selfish, fallen, human face on their gods. God chose to reveal Himself to the Jews in order to make Himself rightly known to man for our salvation. As far as the zodiac and movement of the stars, I am not an astronomer, and do not know if all that the speaker presents is true. However, if the God of the universe created all things, why should we be surprised if He stamped His plan of salvation for us into the very stars? Praise God, He has never given up on mankind. Jesus Himself in John 12 says “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains just a grain of wheat; but if it dies, it produces much fruit.” Creation itself reflects the Creator. That doesn’t mean anything in creation is a god, it simply means God is the Creator. The fact that ancient civilizations celebrated a season for the gift of new life it brought, even though they did it imperfectly and without the knowledge of Christ, shows that it is quite natural to seek a higher level of understanding of that very same event. The spiritual truth that all of this foreshadows is new life in Christ.

Unfortunately, we all tend to look for what we want to believe, then we find others who will give us an excuse to continue in error. It is the age old sin of disobedience against God. I am thankful Our Lord is so patient, may Truth Incarnate prevail. Websites such as this one will help those who are seeking He who is Truth. Sadly, it may not help those who are seeking an excuse to turn from God. However, God is still in charge and we have to trust and obey.

Thanks & God Bless,
David
 
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