Is this what Islam teaches!

[Kallukalam]

Sam, you know my fiance has been living in Saudi for several years now, and he owns his own business. That means he doesn’t need a sponsor. So he can travel at will, rent his own house. And in fact, it is allowed for expatriates to get citizenship–they have to live there for some 10 years and have an advanced degree, not sure what else. But it certainly is possible. Frankly you sound like you lived there for a time and are kind of disgruntled about it.

Moreover, even Saudi Arabia is a secular country–it does not entirely deal in Shari’a and the Qur’an is not a constitution. You’ve not impressed me one bit nor inspired me to believe you at all.

Amy, what you mentioned above are not correct. I have been living inKSA for over 23 years. I am from India and I am Catholic. Expatirates wont get citizenship. Saudi Arabia is not a secular country and the Government and its judicial system run on Sharia law. Your fiance owning a business here, is he a Saudi. If not should have a Saudi sponsor to run a business.

I am lit bit confused, Amy. In one of your earlier message you had mentioned that your finance is doing Islamic studies in KSA and now you are telling he is doing business here.

God bless you.

SJ

 

[MugenOne]

What Sam said is correct. For women to travel at night, they need to hire a limo service. The locals call it “limo,” but actually it is a hired driver. Most hired drivers are TCN (third country national) i.e. Pakistani, Indian, Indonesian, Bangladeshi, etc. Driving women around is a way to make extra riyals. TCNs are at the bottom of the totem pole. Their income is roughly $75-150 a month.

Saudi society is very tribal. For example, the Saudi National and Defense Forces soldiers are mostly Bedu. High ranking officers are mostly from well known tribals, for example, Al-Qhatani, Al-Amari, etc. In the Eastern Provinces, you will find Shiites only in the foot soldier ranks.

 

[Delta2]

• Women can’t drive a car even if she is very old, and covering herself 100%.
• Women can’t have a public Job, only in females schools and banks which deal with females only.
• Women can’t walk in the street at night alone, there is a strong possibility that she might get kidnapped and raped, (Youtube1) (Youtube2).
• Women can’t enter most government ministries, she has to authorize someone male to do her tasks.
• Women can’t say NO if her husband wants to marry another women.
• Women can’t walk in the streets without Abaya (black cover).
• Women can’t travel without a written permission from her husband.
• Women can be beaten by their husband, and they can’t do anything, that is mentioned in our religion.
• Women from certain tribes can only marry men from certain tribes, (Link in Arabic).
• Business Women can’t meet with anyone even in public places like Starbucks, she can be jailed, (Link in English).

A little sad

Days ago I asked some personal opinions about Bangladesh protests against a good law for women in a islam forum

iht.com/articles/reuters/2008/04/11/asia/OUKWD-UK-BANGLADESH-ISLAMISTS.php

They didn’t answered to me

I have read your story, you should teach others to see the truth, carefully because it is not easy in that country, very dangerous indeed

 

[inJESUS]

Sometimes he sends ANGELS to strengthen the believers, yes. Angels, because there are more than one… in case you didn’t know. Not just one at all placed or all times. Recall the story of Badr when the angels helped the Muslims in the battle.

they aya says My Spirit, not my angels. Singular, not plural.

For such He has written Faith in their hearts, and strengthened them with **a Spirit **from Himself. And He will admit them to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, to dwell therein (for ever). God will be well pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of God. Truly it is the Party of God that will achieve Felicity. ( 58:22)"

Allah’s Mercy.

 

[LaMar]

Amy, what you mentioned above are not correct. I have been living inKSA for over 23 years. I am from India and I am Catholic. Expatirates wont get citizenship. Saudi Arabia is not a secular country and the Government and its judicial system run on Sharia law. Your fiance owning a business here, is he a Saudi. If not should have a Saudi sponsor to run a business.

I am lit bit confused, Amy. In one of your earlier message you had mentioned that your finance is doing Islamic studies in KSA and now you are telling he is doing business here.

God bless you.

SJ

I don’t think Saudi Arabia is a secular country by anyone’s standards.

On the Arabian peninsula there are secular countries, at least in theory. Yemen comes to mind. The little emirate called Dubai is secular in practice, if not strictly secular. (For those that don’t know, it’s sort of like the Las Vegas of south asia).

Saudi Arabia has an interesting history. The prophet Muhammad (saw) apparently issued a ruling that “there be not two religions in the hijaz”. Unlike the Christian crusades, non-Muslims were not killed or driven out of the area. They seem to have been gradually bought off over the course of several decades, and resettled in the far south, and in places like Mesopotamia and Syria.

There’s a port city in Saudi Arabia which is (at least in theory) “free” called Jiddah. Much of the rest of the country seems to enjoy some pretty brutal intolerance for non-Muslims, who aren’t even allowed in the hijaz. (The hijaz is the plateau where the holy cities are located).

 

[AgnosTheist]

Unlike the Christian crusades, non-Muslims were not killed or driven out of the area.

Thats an ignorant comparison. True, during the war of the Crusades non-believers were killed or driven out. But the same is true during Mohammad’s jihad wars. Now after Mohammad won were certain nonbelievers allowed under islamic rule. Same is true after the crusaders won. Moslems & Jews were allowed under crusader rule.

Dont forget that fact.

 

[Sister_Amy]

Amy, what you mentioned above are not correct. I have been living inKSA for over 23 years. I am from India and I am Catholic. Expatirates wont get citizenship. Saudi Arabia is not a secular country and the Government and its judicial system run on Sharia law. Your fiance owning a business here, is he a Saudi. If not should have a Saudi sponsor to run a business.

I am lit bit confused, Amy. In one of your earlier message you had mentioned that your finance is doing Islamic studies in KSA and now you are telling he is doing business here.

God bless you.

SJ

If you go the previous page, Sam even confirmed what I said about expatriates getting citizenship. It is allowed. If KSA were not a secular system it would be run ENTIRELY by Shari’a. It’s NOT. And because it’s not, it has some level of secularism in it. Period.

My fiance does own a business, and he is not Saudi. He does not need a sponsor to have his own business. He is a contractor for software development and also teaches computer science at his own institute (not working for the university.) But he’s also in the 8th semester of studying Shari’ah. Which is why he’s too busy to come and talk to you fine people.