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Okay i play a game called Magic the Gathering, i know it’s really nerdy but the question is is it wrong? I mean it’s based on spells and magic and creatures in an epic battle between two players. There are necromancers and more recently demons, yet there are also angels and cat knights.

There is a current halabalo about harry potter and whether it is good or “evil” you can google Magic the Gathering if you don’t know what it is. And for those who have kids if your kids started playing it would you let them why and why not…

I’m just intrested thats all. Oh also for playing magic does that make me a bad person?
 
If the game may cause you to become interested in the occult then I would say it is wrong. I’ve never heard of the game but if it is based on real spells and occultic practices then I would avoid it.

However, if it wouldn’t cause you to fall into the occult or cause you to question your beliefs then I would think it’s okay. Take the game with a pinch of salt and just enjoy it; don’t read too much into it and don’t get involved in anything that seems dubious, or anything that is contrary to your faith.
 
I play Everquest 2, World of Warcraft and Ultima Online.
There is magic spells in all those games. There are Necromancers, witch hunters, Evil liches and all kinds of weird stuff.

They are only games. I see no harm in playing them. When they become a reality in your life, thats where the harm comes into play.
 
Oh, cmon man… you know the Pope said CCGs are anathema. You should play good old fashioned pencil and paper RPGs 😃

Or barring that, Catholics should use a White only deck. 😛
 
Many “common” things in today’s society are dangerous, and we don’t even realize it. Such things may not have any affect on some people, but they may have disastrous effects on others. Sometimes these thing just open the door and invite evil in.

I would stay away from those types of games if I were you.
Deuteronomy 18:9-13 says:
“When you enter the land the LORD your God is giving you, do not learn to imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the LORD, and because of these detestable practices the LORD your God will drive out those nations before you. You must be blameless before the LORD your God.”

It seems pretty clear to me that we’re to stay away from witchcraft, spells, etc., and I don’t think there are any exceptions for games.

Also, the Catechism states to stay away from this type of stuff – there are lots of references so it’s probably easier if you look it up yourself rather than me trying to post it all here. You can access the Catechism online at scborromeo.org/ccc.htm.

:blessyou:
 
Then make sure you have your eyes closed when you walk outside.
Stay away from beaches - Temptation
Stay away From the City - Strip Bars
Stay away from Pacman - it is cannabalism

All three of my teens play World of Warcraft too and go to a Catholic School. They have straight A’s in there subjects, including Catechism.
They know reality from fantasy and Good from evil.

Seriously, its only a game. It has pretty graphics, made up of pixels and very enjoyable.

Personally, if you cant realize it is just a game with special effects, something is wrong.
 
Then make sure you have your eyes closed when you walk outside.
Stay away from beaches - Temptation
Stay away From the City - Strip Bars
Stay away from Pacman - it is cannabalism

All three of my teens play World of Warcraft too and go to a Catholic School. They have straight A’s in there subjects, including Catechism.
They know reality from fantasy and Good from evil.

Seriously, its only a game. It has pretty graphics, made up of pixels and very enjoyable.

Personally, if you cant realize it is just a game with special effects, something is wrong.
I take it your reply was in response to my post.

I know it’s just a game, but to that I say this:
  1. Why would I want to play a game like that when there are plenty of other games that aren’t about spells, etc., if God has said to avoid those things?
  2. I know it’s a game, and so do you (and your kids) because of your faith, etc. But what about people who don’t know God? Without a firm foundation in Jesus, they are more susceptible to letting evil in without even knowing it.
Can you see why I believe what I believe? I’m not trying to get in an argument here – we both love Jesus and that is the most important thing.
:blessyou:
 
I take it your reply was in response to my post.

I know it’s just a game, but to that I say this:
  1. Why would I want to play a game like that when there are plenty of other games that aren’t about spells, etc., if God has said to avoid those things?
  2. I know it’s a game, and so do you (and your kids) because of your faith, etc. But what about people who don’t know God? Without a firm foundation in Jesus, they are more susceptible to letting evil in without even knowing it.
Can you see why I believe what I believe? I’m not trying to get in an argument here – we both love Jesus and that is the most important thing.
:blessyou:
no, no, I am not arguing with you.
A game like that?
There is always evil and there is always good in an mmorpg (Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game)

I love Jesus with all my heart and I am sure my kids do also. These games are:
  1. Competetion - Matching your skills against other players
  2. Comradery - Learning to work as a team to complete an objective
  3. Resonsibility - As a healer, you keep your group alive, as a warrior, you protect the weak and so on.
  4. Enjoyment - Watching the graphics, pretty explosions, fighting evil and triumphing.
The only game I have found, that I have played that had God and the Devil in it was Painkiller.
The game is about a guy that died in a car wreck and an Archangel asked him to fight the devil and his minions before they took over the earth. That game gave me the creeps. There was more blood, gore and evil in that game, then any other game I have ever played. I wouldnt even let my kids near it.

I did beat the game though.😃 The final scene was fighting Satan himself.
 
no, no, I am not arguing with you.
A game like that?
There is always evil and there is always good in an mmorpg (Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game)

I love Jesus with all my heart and I am sure my kids do also. These games are:
  1. Competetion - Matching your skills against other players
  2. Comradery - Learning to work as a team to complete an objective
  3. Resonsibility - As a healer, you keep your group alive, as a warrior, you protect the weak and so on.
  4. Enjoyment - Watching the graphics, pretty explosions, fighting evil and triumphing.
The only game I have found, that I have played that had God and the Devil in it was Painkiller.
The game is about a guy that died in a car wreck and an Archangel asked him to fight the devil and his minions before they took over the earth. That game gave me the creeps. There was more blood, gore and evil in that game, then any other game I have ever played. I wouldnt even let my kids near it.

I did beat the game though.😃 The final scene was fighting Satan himself.
I don’t play mmorpgs, so maybe I’m wrong in thinking there are other types of games. I just meant other games – like if you’re playing video games or whatever, there are violent ones and there are others that aren’t, know what I mean?

I understand (and think it’s good) for kids to learn about competetion, comraderie, resonsibility, and for them to enjoy themselves. I’m just saying those things can all be learned through games that don’t involve witchcraft, evil, spells, etc.
🙂
 
no, no, I am not arguing with you.
A game like that?
There is always evil and there is always good in an mmorpg (Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game)

I love Jesus with all my heart and I am sure my kids do also. These games are:
  1. Competetion - Matching your skills against other players
  2. Comradery - Learning to work as a team to complete an objective
  3. Resonsibility - As a healer, you keep your group alive, as a warrior, you protect the weak and so on.
  4. Enjoyment - Watching the graphics, pretty explosions, fighting evil and triumphing.
Agreed. I think these games are harmless. They can foster a healthy sense of comradery and responsibility…and they are fun! 👍
 
Okay i play a game called Magic the Gathering, i know it’s really nerdy but the question is is it wrong? I mean it’s based on spells and magic and creatures in an epic battle between two players. There are necromancers and more recently demons, yet there are also angels and cat knights.

There is a current halabalo about harry potter and whether it is good or “evil” you can google Magic the Gathering if you don’t know what it is. And for those who have kids if your kids started playing it would you let them why and why not…

I’m just intrested thats all. Oh also for playing magic does that make me a bad person?
No, not at all. You seem to know the barriers between fantasy/sci-fi and real life. As long as you know the difference, you can enjoy the fantasy world all you want. You are not a bad person at all for having this way to escape sometimes.
 
A couple of my kids played D & D years ago and did not seem to come to any harm. However ther was a case in my town of a young man who became addicted to such a game, played it incessantly, and ultimately committed suicide. His mother is heading up a national effort to point out to poarents and others that some of these gaes can be dangerous for some players.

That being said, our armed forces are said to use video war games to train our soldiers to be able to deal with the killing and violence of combat. One would draw the conclusion that such games harden one to violence whether in doing it or accepting it.
 
Oh, cmon man… you know the Pope said CCGs are anathema. You should play good old fashioned pencil and paper RPGs 😃

Or barring that, Catholics should use a White only deck. 😛
hahahha nice… Yea i have a white protection deck and a black re animator deck (the re animator kicks on the circuit), but my fav color is green…

Thanks everyone for there responses, i was really interested in the other views of people.

I personally don’t believe in magic as a concept, and play it more for the pretty pictures and the stratergy, not for any attempt to be a plainswalker.

But i can see how occult cased themes can get people interested in such things, especially at an early age and might tend to veer people in a destructive manner. I guess at that point it just comes down to parents and loved ones to make sure nothing goes wrong. Kind of like drugs and other things in this world…
 
It seems pretty clear to me that we’re to stay away from witchcraft, spells, etc., and I don’t think there are any exceptions for games.
I’d suggest then games that avoid these themes but maintain similar mechanics them, other collectible card games such as Battletech or A Game of Thrones, or non-collectible card games (ie, the games come complete) such as Race for the Galaxy or Blue Moon.

Games in and of themselves are not problematic, but it’s what the player reads into them. If you want to be perfectly safe, avoid the subject matter altogether, but if you understand it to be total fantasy, and don’t believe in necromantic powers, then games like Magic don’t make you any more a sorcerer than do games like Eve make you a space pilot.

A special caveat should be given for children who play these - kids learn through imitation, and so if you put something before them that they like, they’ll imitate it. When I was growing up it was Star Wars, He-Man and Tron, and we even acted out Atari and Coleco Games (aside from Pong). Consequently, GI Joe was too violent (until I pointed out to my parents that no one ever actually got shot on the cartoon). If young kids are playing Magic, they’ll act it out.

If older kids are playing it, it may be that there’s something else drawing them to something that resembles the occult, or it may be that the player really likes strategic games but Magic is more portable and takes less time than chess.
 
My kids are adults now, and still play Warcraft. They played Magic and a couple others over the years too. I think they’re boring and way too much work. One of my boys is learning disabled, and learned to read because he wanted to play Shadow Run. He sat with the book on his lap every evening and finally taught himself to read when years of special ed teachers and I failed to do so.

I think if you understand the difference between reality and fantasy, it’s not much different from reading fairy tales. You know Prince Charming isn’t going to rescue you from your life of drudgery, and all those spells and stuff won’t happen in real life.

However, you can get addicted to anything. If you’re playing these games to the exclusion of things you should be doing, like going to work or homework, taking care of your family, doing your chores, etc…if you’re spending all your money on those games and not paying the rent, then you’ve got a real problem.

All in moderation and perspective. Don’t let “things” take over your life.
 
Hubby & I as well as my daughter have all played Magic. Its a card game, no one is really casting spells anymore than people are really buying Park Place in Monopoly. I see nothing wrong with it.
 
A couple of my kids played D & D years ago and did not seem to come to any harm. However ther was a case in my town of a young man who became addicted to such a game, played it incessantly, and ultimately committed suicide. His mother is heading up a national effort to point out to poarents and others that some of these gaes can be dangerous for some players.
Your point is well-taken, but I wonder if it was D&D that caused his addiction, or some underlying emotional imbalance that led him to obsess with D&D. I don’t think it’s the subject matter necessarily, as there have been similar cases of addiction to games such as ShadowRun, Second Life, Sims, and Eve Online. There have been cases of online addictions to MMOGs that lead to suicide (or, in at least one case, heart failure from 60+ hours continuous play), and I wonder if it’s like other addictions in creating a positive reinforcement feedback through the endorphin pathways.

I appreciate the point about moderation, but maybe it’d be more precise to say “in balance” - it’s not the amount that you’re playing, but the amount relative to what else is going on in your life. Having an easy schedule that week (say an unexpected furlough) isn’t license to spend all day in virtual reality because your have-to-do list is done. But if your social, spiritual, mental and emotional needs are well-satisfied, you’re entitled to some time in solitary distraction, whether it is with a book, in a warm tub or online.

Likewise, I’d also ask whether this is the sole activity that one takes part in. Strategic games can be very stimulating in one way, but they shouldn’t be the sole stimulation. When my wife goes to bed earlier than I do, I often play games, but just as often I spend time reading (currently, Jared Diamond’s “Collapse”).

Played in moderation and for someone with the emotional maturity to know when an interest is becoming obsessive, there should be no problem. Some of us are blessed enough to have children who know what they need and follow the structure without asking. Some of us have kids who would watch TV for an entire day if we let them. For those of us who lack that emotional maturity, it helps to have an outside moderator - let the game be a reward, and be strictly limited.

When I was studying with evangelicals, they would often say that sin is anything that causes you to fall, and I think the analogy here is apt. Recovering addicts often say that they would feel like they’re “running hot” - thinking only about their addictions (especially gambling, internet and pornography addicts) to the detriment of all else in their lives. Perhaps this should be a trigger to put the game in a box and close down the DSL connection.
 
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