Going to the beach, to my knowledge, is not a subject the Catholic Church has made any moral proclamations on. It therefore is a wholly invalid analogy, clearly. No one has submitted any moral truth claims as to the permissiveness of visiting the beach on a sunny day or a rainy day.
Please explain how. Your actually arguing that taking temperature, checking vaginal secretions, etc. are not deliberate, are not “actions”, are not done “in anticipation” of the marital act, or not done with the intent to render the act infertile?? Take a pill, examine your cycle indicators…these are clearly actions, and we know WHY they’re undertaken. The difference is the Church says one is accepts le, the other never.
Nope …looking at some chart or taking a temp --is about knowledge.
"In Kenya, in the 1980s, an African who had learned that the Western fertility rate averaged about 1.2, remarked to me: “Western couples must be *very poor *if they can’t afford to have more than two children…”
Do you honestly think that the Holy Father would contradict himself, and Pope Pius XI in Casti Connubii?
That is why I mentioned weather. (obviously the church has no teaching on weather morality, that was not the point)
This is truly an insult to people who, for whatever reason, really CAN’T afford more than 2 children…
Sorry, yes I saw that in reading, but when a thread generates 12 pages in around a day it’s hard to keep up!
Or like swimming in a pond when there’s been sufficient rains or snow-melt versus erecting a dam to ensure the pond will be full when you want it.
This seems a little extreme, I don’t know about where you live, but where I live a decent home’s gonna cost you around $300K. School loans for advanced degrees cost around $60-120K, depending on if you get some partial scholarships…I don’t own a $60K SUV, I drive a mini-van, I’m an avid amateur body builder but even I don’t eat 4000 calories a day. I have no credit cards…it’s still very tough to make a go, with five or more kids it would be unmanageable. Though many certainly do pursue material things as a minimal standard to life, which is twisted.
Insult? No insult.This is truly an insult to people who, for whatever reason, really CAN’T afford more than 2 children…
Right now, my husband and I can’t afford ANY. We have no health insurance, are paying off college debt, and are both working so that we can afford the one bedroom apartment we live in.
Perspective on what?
This post makes me sooo sad!!!Oh, it’s that easy huh? Thanks for the tip!Except you seem to not realize that in today’s world, in advanced societies, finishing school and starting work means for plenty of folks being 28, 30, or even older. Then how long to meet that special someone, since you couldn’t do it before this very well? A year? Two? Maybe more…with this advice many, those most intelligent and ambitious in life anyway, won’t need to worry about ABC at all, they’ll be nearing pre-menopausal before even marrying! And I suppose be in Steve Carrell’s boat as in 40 Year Old Virgin. Maybe it’s past time we as a society honestly confronted the near impossible obstacles we now have erected to preventing what should be natural and normal? There’s a reason young people are terrified of pregnancy early in marriage and having “too many” kids: our social order, especially in the U.S., is completely unsupportive and often outright hostile to it. You can’t live decently without both spouses working full-time, child-care is exhorbitantly expensive, living expenses for basic food and clothing and housing continue to rise while working wages and median income has been flat for 30 years, or decreased when taking into account inflation…seriously, to those posters here of a certain age, being a young adult today is NOTHING like it was in 1970. I know I frankly would love to have eight, ten kids, but is the Pope going to chip in for child-care? Cause Uncle Sam sure isn’t, and we’d be such a blessed family if we did have a basketball team of children that we’d be living with my parents…the Monty Python skit comes to mind where the father says to his, like, 50 kids, “The Lord has blessed us so much that we can’t afford to fed you anymore!”
But in a sad way your post has some sense: if everyone just remained virgin until marriage and didn’t marry until finished with school and in a career, many fewer would need to worry about ABC, already having neared natural infertility before even saying their vows!
To add, neither one of us drives an SUV either.This is truly an insult to people who, for whatever reason, really CAN’T afford more than 2 children…
Right now, my husband and I can’t afford ANY. We have no health insurance, are paying off college debt, and are both working so that we can afford the one bedroom apartment we live in.
Doesn’t really answer my question of “perspective on what?”
The very poor African had a very good observation.
