Is Voting for a Pro-Choicer a Mortal Sin?

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Is Voting for a Pro-Choicer a Mortal Sin?
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Assuming, arguendo, that mortal sin is a valid concept, I’d say that you really couldn’t make this determination without knowing what your choices are. When both choices are bad, to vote for the person less likely to do violence to the concepts of your faith would appear to be a smart decision, not a sinnful one. Remember that we are to be innocent as doves, but also wise as serpents. In striving for innocence, let’s not forget to also be wise.
 
I’m not going to vote on this because the options that are given are limited.
 
I voted “unknown”.

I wouldn’t personally vote for someone if they specifically claimed to be “pro-choice”.

However, it don’t think it’s necessarily a sin to allow someone to have an abortion - I think the sin is in not allowing that person to be brought into a court of law, and in the act itself.
 
It depends. If the voting is made purely on the basis of the person’s being pro-choice, as opposed to **any other **platform, then for a Catholic to vote purely to elect a person on that basis would be **at least **a venial sin and possibly a mortal sin, since certainly abortion is a grave matter. Should the person voting know this, and as well have full knowledge of what the church teaches, that abortion is a grave evil, and know that this person’s coming to office would at the very least keep abortion as it is if not even further increase it (full knowledge), and do so absolutely freely and as a positive choice, (full consent), it *could * indeed be a mortal sin for that person.
 
I don’t see how voting or not voting for somebody would have any bearing at all on the current abortion ‘debate’. Except for the opportunity to select Supreme Court judges, the legislative and executive branches have been eliminated from the abortion forum. They can NOT create laws either in favor of or against abortion, whether they serve at the national, state or local level. So what you are asking is, is it a sin to cast a SYMBOLIC vote for a Pro-Choice candidate, right?

This is the unfortunate state of the union, and I hate every lousy day of it. Today 3500 living humans will be snuffed out for the convinience of their parents. We may have lost the next Blessed Mother Teresa, or JPII, or ironically the Supreme Court judge that would have cast the vote to end this madness.

Given all of that, I still can’t see how voting pro-abortion, vile as it may seem, can become a sin. Our political environment give as much power to change R vs W to a Senator as it gives to the county dog catcher, and I don’t remember what her position was on the issue :o

Prayer is much more powerful, and you can do it more than once 👍
 
The response for most of the people here, even if they won’t admit it, is yes unless it’s a republican.

In 2008, all of the major candidates are going to be pro-choice, republican and democrat. What is a good Catholic supposed to do in that situation? Third party? They’re all pro-choice except the fascist Constitution Party.
 
fantrl said:
The response for most of the people here, even if they won’t admit it, is yes unless it’s a republican.

In 2008, all of the major candidates are going to be pro-choice, republican and democrat. What is a good Catholic supposed to do in that situation? Third party? They’re all pro-choice except the fascist Constitution Party.
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Don’t be too hasty. We do not yet know how the nominees will shake out.

I wish some of our resident priests would weigh in on this.
 
I wouldn’t think so, especially if they stood high on issues like the war effort.
 
JoeyWarren said:
what other options to do you propose?

I have no problem starting another poll.
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Show your disgust with the choices presented to you by casting a write-in vote for Donald Duck or Micky Mouse. Seriously. If you can’t bring yourself to vote for the “lesser of two evils”, and the independent and/or 3rd party candidates are no better, write in a nonsense vote as a form of protest vote.
 
Grateful4mercy said:
I don’t see how voting or not voting for somebody would have any bearing at all on the current abortion ‘debate’. Except for the opportunity to select Supreme Court judges, the legislative and executive branches have been eliminated from the abortion forum. They can NOT create laws either in favor of or against abortion, whether they serve at the national, state or local level. So what you are asking is, is it a sin to cast a SYMBOLIC vote for a Pro-Choice candidate, right?

This is the unfortunate state of the union, and I hate every lousy day of it. Today 3500 living humans will be snuffed out for the convinience of their parents. We may have lost the next Blessed Mother Teresa, or JPII, or ironically the Supreme Court judge that would have cast the vote to end this madness.

Given all of that, I still can’t see how voting pro-abortion, vile as it may seem, can become a sin. Our political environment give as much power to change R vs W to a Senator as it gives to the county dog catcher, and I don’t remember what her position was on the issue :o

Prayer is much more powerful, and you can do it more than once 👍
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There is a voice of reason here. Well done.
 
I couldn’t select any of the above options. In my opinion:

If there is no pro-life candidate, you have no choice, so you commit no sin and you select on other issues. If you have a radical pro-death (not just abortion, but euthanasia, embryonic stem cells etc.) candidate and a moderate pro-death candidate (just pro-choice), voting for the radical would be the wrong choice, but if you vote for the moderate, you voice your opposition to the radical pro-death views. If there is a pro-lifer and you support a pro-choicer, you are supporting abortion, which would be wrong.

I’d say that if you knowingly do the wrong thing, you are committing a sin, and since supporting abortion and the culture of death is a grave matter, it could possibly be a mortal sin.
 
To make sin mortal it must meet three conditions
  1. Full Consent.
  2. Full Acknowledge
  3. Grave Matter
All Three must be met in order to make it mortal.
 
I can’t vote with these choices. If by “pro-choicer” you mean one of those who, like some recent high-profile politicos resist any effort to end or curtail legalized abortion, then it would be sinful to vote for him/her. It is a grave matter to suport someone who would not defend the right to life. But for a sin to be mortal, gravity is just one of the conditions. If the person acted with full consent and knew the Church’s teaching about abortion (which, ,hopefully is almost ALL Catholics) then it could be mortal. Otherwise, it would be a venial sin.
 
rr1213 said:
Show your disgust with the choices presented to you by casting a write-in vote for Donald Duck or Micky Mouse. Seriously.
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I think I’m going to write in Dorothy Day. In all seriousness not a single soul may even look twice at the ballot, but it will make me feel better.
 
Legal_Eagle said:
I think I’m going to write in Dorothy Day. In all seriousness not a single soul may even look twice at the ballot, but it will make me feel better.
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There is a “vote for Rachel” movement that asks people to write in the name “Rachel” if they believe that they cannot cast a vote due to the fact that all of the candidates on the ballot are abortion supporters.

Rumor has it that “Rachel” has actually won several recent local elections. 😛
 
fantrl said:
The response for most of the people here, even if they won’t admit it, is yes unless it’s a republican.

In 2008, all of the major candidates are going to be pro-choice, republican and democrat. What is a good Catholic supposed to do in that situation? Third party? They’re all pro-choice except the fascist Constitution Party.
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I think the republican will be pro-life . Rudy G stated we would appoint “strict constructions” aka pro life judges to the federal courts

the republicans running know that being pro life is a requirement of the nomination

Also in response to a previous reply the exec and legislative branches are important because abortion clinics depend on state and Fed. tax dollars to stay open and those 2 branches can block their funding. pro life groups should put pressure on them to do so
 
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