Is voting Republican a mortal sin?

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There is another thread on the Forum where one person questions whether it is a mortal sin to vote for a Democrat, because Democratic candidates for the most part favor the right of a women to choose whether or not she would want to have an abortion in the case of an unwanted pregnancy.
My question here is, it is a moral sin to vote for Republicans who for the most part seem to against things that would help the average American, like better wages, affordable health care, lower taxes on the working and middle classes, reduced user fees on things like driver’s licenses, the lowering of sales taxes, more benefits for veterans, more financial allocations for education, etc.
These are issues that effect the well-being of most Americans.
God tells us that we have a moral challenge to take care of one another, to take care of our environment, and to focus on life after death and not about acquiring wealth and possessions in this life. We should share with our brothers and sisters.
 
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As I have posted numerous times before, it is not a sin to cast a vote in good faith for any party that isn’t trying to stamp out the Church.

Do we really need multiple threads on this voting business? This is the third or fourth one within a couple of weeks. We all understand that some people feel strongly that one or the other party is the “moral” party. Some of us don’t have a strong feeling either way and make our votes based on individual candidates, issues and situations. Which is all fine as long as we each realize it is our own conscience and opinion, not a teaching of the Church that we must vote for a particular party, or must not vote for a particular party unless that party is Communism or Freemasonry or similar.
 
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like better wages, affordable health care, lower taxes on the working and middle classes, reduced user fees on things like driver’s licenses, the lowering of sales taxes, more benefits for veterans, more financial allocations for education, etc.
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Republicans aren’t against most of these things, so I don’t know where you’re getting this list.

We don’t have an issue with paying people better, we have an issue with literally doubling the minimum wage overnight. We also believe that a national minimum wage isn’t a great idea, because it forces inflation and doesn’t take into account the cost of living in any one particular area.

We have no issue with affordable healthcare, we just think the federal government is literally the worst group to achieve this, and that any sort of effort by the government to require healthcare is going to backfire. (You know, like Obamacare completely has.) There may have been more people without coverage, but the cost of all coverage has skyrocketed since the government became directly involved in the process… just like we said it would… over and over again…

I think you’re confused about the lower taxes thing. Democrats like to raise taxes, Republicans like to lower them.

etc. etc. You seem really confused about what Republicans actually collectively support. I understand your intent in starting this thread, but you really need to give good examples if you want to have a useful discussion…

All that aside, there is nothing in the Republican platform that is in support of an intrinsic evil. Everything you listed falls under the header of prudential judgment. Therefore, it could not be considered a mortal sin to vote Republican.

This is in stark contrast to the Democratic party, whose platform does include support for intrinsic evils. (Abortion, Same-sex so-called marriage, etc.)
 
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T_B, I appreciate your thoughtful post.
My reason for starting this thread was to give people food for thought.
I love the Catholic Church and I love the United States of America.
I have disdain for the divide caused by the two major political parties.
There have been many great presidents that were part of each party.
Neither party has a lock on good ideas.
What we need for people in both parties to do it to lean to the center, where most of us truly are, and away from the extreme right and extreme left.
Thanks for your patience with me. My thread is not to offend anyone, just to give everyone some different food for thought! 🤔😀
 
I appreciate where you’re coming from, but I don’t think this is really new “food for thought”. People have been arguing over this same stuff since well before the 2016 election.

The problem with these threads is, those who are less familiar with the Catholic faith actually worry that they or their loved one committed a sin by “voting wrong”. And people who post on these threads just feed the fear with their insistence that it’s a mortal sin to vote this way or that.
 
Bat connected with ball… hit that one out of the park! Great response!
 
Friends don’t let friends vote Republican.

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In an informal talk I went to, one of the priests from my parish talked about how it was ok to vote “strategically”. You vote for a desired outcome that you believe the candidate can help bring about. You don’t have to have a candidate line up in agreement with every single issue you or the Church believes.

I think these mortal sin discussions about voting Republican or Democrat aren’t healthy or charitable conversations for us.
 
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favor the right of a women to choose whether or not she would want to have an abortion in the case of an unwanted pregnancy.
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I don’t know of anyone. Republican or Democrat, who does not believe in a “woman’s right to choose”.
This Catholic believes everyone has a right to make choices, I just don’t think that murdering a child in what should be the safest place for it should be one of those choices.
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My question here is, it is a moral sin to vote for Republicans who for the most part seem to against things that would help the average American, like better wages, affordable health care, lower taxes on the working and middle classes, reduced user fees on things like driver’s licenses, the lowering of sales taxes, more benefits for veterans, more financial allocations for education, etc
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Most Republicans I know believe in all these things too. They just think that the federal government is not the one who should be doing it. These are things that all should be handled on the state and local level.
 
NO - in no way is it immoral to vote for the Republican party.

There is nothing in the Republican Party platform that is sinful in of itself.

Everything you mention about the Republican Party is ridiculous or only half-truths. The Republicans are not against the things you mention, they are just against it being paid for at the Federal Level.

Many Republicans believe that social programs should be funded by local non-profits, municipal governments, county governments, and state governments.

Personally, I would rather pay a lot more local and state taxes than federal taxes.

For example: the EPA. There really is no reason why we can’t have Congress write national laws & inticements that require / encourage state environmental agencies to implement them out.

Another example: I would rather see 50+ versions of social security than a federal program that is running out of money. And I would rather see 50+ state health care plans than 1 that isn’t run well.

Republicans like to see the cities, counties and states compete against and learn from each other in order to figure out the best way to handle social programs. Instead of one program and the federal level with no competition.

Because to Republicans, it’s better to move to a different city, country or state for better services than have to move to a different nation.

So again: it’s not that Republicans are against these things. Republicans just believe in a bottom up approach vs a top down. We want the lowest level of govt handling social programs, not the federal level.

God Bless
 
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There is another thread on the Forum where one person questions whether it is a mortal sin to vote for a Democrat, because Democratic candidates for the most part favor the right of a women to choose whether or not she would want to have an abortion in the case of an unwanted pregnancy.
My question here is, it is a moral sin to vote for Republicans who for the most part seem to against things that would help the average American, like better wages, affordable health care, lower taxes on the working and middle classes, reduced user fees on things like driver’s licenses, the lowering of sales taxes, more benefits for veterans, more financial allocations for education, etc.
These are issues that effect the well-being of most Americans.
God tells us that we have a moral challenge to take care of one another, to take care of our environment, and to focus on life after death and not about acquiring wealth and possessions in this life. We should share with our brothers and sisters.
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These issues are certainly worth discussing and debating, but they are not clear-cut life and death “non-negotiable” issues like abortion and euthanasia.
And there certainly is not any kind of agreement that democrat platform policies would bring about this Utopia of better wages, lower taxes, better healthcare, etc. These are all issues of prudential judgment.
 
It is not a sin, but it is a shame to vote out of ignorance. Is voting along party lines ignorance? Is that like saying all Christians are free of sin? I just don’t get it.
Disclaimer – I am expressing my opinion and not looking for validaiton or argument, so I limit my (name removed by moderator)ut to a single post per thread. Send me a PM, and I will be happy to continue the discussion without monopolizing this fine venue.
 
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Republicans who for the most part seem to against things that would help the average American, like better wages, affordable health care, lower taxes on the working and middle classes, reduced user fees on things like driver’s licenses, the lowering of sales taxes, more benefits for veterans, more financial allocations for education
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Repubs are favorable to most of the things ou’re listing. Who lowered taxes? Repubs. Under whose administration have wage increases finally exceeded inflation? Trump’s. License fees are state-controlled, not federal. Same with sales taxes. And both tend to be lower in Repub-dominated states. Who has acted to clean up VA? Trump.

Who gives more to the poor? Conservatives or liberals? Conservatives.

But let me add this. Both parties are in considerable disarray at present. A lot of Repubs are “ant-Trumpers” for reasons they think sufficient, or are afraid of the anti-Trumpers. Dems are now being torn by the true radicals like Sanders, AOC and not a few others.
 
No.

The democrat party’s insistence on abortion on demand has prevented their presidential candidate from securing the majority of Catholic voters who regularly attend Mass in every election since George Bush.

Abortion, because of its scale, is vastly more important than other issues.

And, of course, without recognizing the preimminence of life - the issues of poverty, taxation, immigration, et. al., do not arise. They all presuppose your mother chose life.

Deacon Christopher
 
Can we just say that voting is itself a mortal sin and be done with these threads? Look, I’ve even created a meme for future threads:
 
I realize I’m in such deep trouble after reading these threads about it being a mortal sin to vote republican and another thread about it being a mortal sin to vote democrat.

I’ve split every vote I’ve ever cast. What do I do?!
 
You can’t support your neighbor by collectivized mass stealing
Case closed
 
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Republicans (particularly our POTUS) are AWFUL!

… too bad Dems are just as bad.

Vote your conscience as both parties are corrupted to the point where neither can be trusted.
 
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My question here is, it is a moral sin to vote for Republicans who for the most part seem to against things that would help the average American, like better wages, affordable health care, lower taxes on the working and middle classes, reduced user fees on things like driver’s licenses, the lowering of sales taxes, more benefits for veterans, more financial allocations for education, etc.
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That’s a great question, but unfortunately voting Republican does not mean you’re against those things but instead you wish to more efficiently obtain those very things. While sometimes criticized for being trickle-down economics, it’s not about that. It’s instead allowing people to keep what they earn and to encourage people to give generously and voluntarily instead of thru compulsion (aka taxation) where it’s taken at gunpoint, the threat of arrest, or the threat of asset seizure (the third being most likely).

So a Democrat believes you get better wages by imposing a mandatory wage that cannot go below a certain level. Republicans think you improve wages in one of two ways: 1) you have people obtain higher levels of education in relevant fields and 2) you decrease the supply of labor available with very low rates of unemployment (i.e. you increase competitiveness for labor) or increase the demand for labor by increasing the basket of goods and services available. So wage rates aren’t increased by mandatory government minimums or capped by mandatory government maximums but vary depending on market conditions, preferably favorable ones that increase wage rates naturally.

Republicans believe in affordable healthcare by lowering administrative costs. The profit motive is irrelevant. If efficiencies are created, firms can compete to drive down their profit levels. Republicans would not support $1,700 per month that the average family pays for health insurance, but instead support the creation of health savings accounts and where patients not insurance companies or governments can cut the cost of care.

Why is it fair that the rich pay higher taxes than those in the middle class? It’s more important that the rich hires the middle class so people can become wealthy by saving and investing their income. We should have a flat tax of 10-33% depending on government spending, paying off debt, and war. You could have an income tax, a value-added tax or sales tax, or a tariff.

We both agree on lowering sales taxes, property taxes, income taxes, and user fees.

When it comes to financial allocations to education, I don’t think it’s a bad idea to pay for a QUALITY education. But schools should not get a blank check regardless of poor performance.
 
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We have to vote for the lesser of two evils. So when legal infanticide is off the Democrat agenda I’ll consider voting for Democrats for other issues.

Murder is worse than any of the other issues you mentioned
 
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