Is Wearing Immodest Clothing a Sin?

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KostyaJMJ said:
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Things like ankle bracelets, ankle socks, or toe rings could present a serious near occasions of sin. So what is the cut-off? Why should a woman be interested in trying to hide her breasts but then completely forget about her toes, hips, ankles, nape of her neck?
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There IS no cut-off. That’s what I’m trying to say. It’s pointless to attempt to make rules on this. What you do instead is honestly assess the message your look sends. After that, it IS his problem (or hers as regards men’s modesty). Thus the analogy of locking your door. You don’t need to live in a bank vault and if you forget to lock sometimes it’s still the criminal’s fault that he stole. But its foolish to refuse to ever lock the door and expect your stuff to always be there when you return because people ought to be honest. Modesty is simply a form of prudence.

Toes? Really? 🤷 🙂
 
manualman said:
There IS no cut-off. That’s what I’m trying to say. It’s pointless to attempt to make rules on this. What you do instead is honestly assess the message your look sends. After that, it IS his problem (or hers as regards men’s modesty). Thus the analogy of locking your door. You don’t need to live in a bank vault and if you forget to lock sometimes it’s still the criminal’s fault that he stole. But its foolish to refuse to ever lock the door and expect your stuff to always be there when you return because people ought to be honest. Modesty is simply a form of prudence.

Toes? Really? 🤷 🙂
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You do not know that some find toe cleavage immodest? I am being serious here.

I agree with Kostya. Further, we would only be bothered about the message sent to right thinking, non judgemental people who do not sexualise everything.
 
manualman said:
Did you even read Dan Dalys post? Are you really so disrespectful of the concerns of others that you would assert that toe cleavage and boob cleavage are morally equivalent in terms of their effects on the opposite sex? Surely not? 😦

Is it not possible to have different opinions without mockery and dismissal?
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I’ve been here long enough to feel that if I do not respond to the modesty threads/police with humour I will most likely cry with the thought that humanity has thus reached the point that women are accused of encouraging men committing sin by wearing shorts.

By the way, thank you for inventing the term toe cleavage. It’s bizarre. But comedy gold.
 
LemonAndLime said:
I’ve been here long enough to feel that if I do not respond to the modesty threads/police with humour I will most likely cry with the thought that humanity has thus reached the point that women are accused of encouraging men committing sin by wearing shorts.

By the way, thank you for inventing the term toe cleavage. It’s bizarre. But comedy gold.
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Haha! Humanity? Apparently you either have

a) Never heard of places like Saudi Arabia

or

b) Spent wayyy too much time in Sharia Britain where a growing minority of people are serious about literally “policing” women’s clothes.

I don’t think you will find any normal American Christian outside of the Westboro Baptist Church or any Church of What’s Happening Now! will preach that Women are to blame for men’s sin and we need to police women’s dressing habits. 😛
 
austenbosten said:
Haha! Humanity? Apparently you either have

a) Never heard of places like Saudi Arabia

or

b) Spent wayyy too much time in Sharia Britain where a growing minority of people are serious about literally “policing” women’s clothes.

I don’t think you will find any normal American Christian outside of the Westboro Baptist Church or any Church of What’s Happening Now! will preach that Women are to blame for men’s sin and we need to police women’s dressing habits. 😛
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You haven’t been on this forum long. You will learn.

People on here have said that women are to blame if they wear provokative clothing. Just read the first few pages of this thread.
 
LemonAndLime said:
You haven’t been on this forum long. You will learn.

People on here have said that women are to blame if they wear provokative clothing. Just read the first few pages of this thread.
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Well you can happy to know I’m not one. I don’t blame them, I just simply say they don’t help me out at all. It’s like a recovering alcoholic whose husband still drinks, he isn’t to blame, but he sure doesn’t help her out at all.
 
KostyaJMJ said:
Maybe it seems ridiculous because you’re more of a breast man. There are more men who find the breasts sexually attractive but there are quite a few men who are really attracted to feet. Things like ankle bracelets, ankle socks, or toe rings could present a serious near occasions of sin. So what is the cut-off? Why should a woman be interested in trying to hide her breasts but then completely forget about her toes, hips, ankles, nape of her neck?
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So do you think its ok for woman do walk around shirtless? Just trying to understand your point of view.
 
LemonAndLime said:
I’ve been here long enough to feel that if I do not respond to the modesty threads/police with humour I will most likely cry with the thought that humanity has thus reached the point that women are accused of encouraging men committing sin by wearing shorts.

By the way, thank you for inventing the term toe cleavage. It’s bizarre. But comedy gold.
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He didn’t ( Sorry Manualman). Its been used for some time. What is new to me is that there are some who are now saying, hoe cleavage is titilating, whatever.
 
severus68 said:
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LemonAndLime:
I’ve been here long enough to feel that if I do not respond to the modesty threads/police with humour I will most likely cry with the thought that humanity has thus reached the point that women are accused of encouraging men committing sin by wearing shorts.

By the way, thank you for inventing the term toe cleavage. It’s bizarre. But comedy gold.
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He didn’t ( Sorry Manualman). Its been used for some time. What is new to me is that there are some who are now saying, hoe cleavage is titilating, whatever.
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Heck — even covering up the toe cleavage with boots – there are some who consider boots “immodest”.
 
Immodesty in general is a sin this would include immodest clothing
 
severus68 said:
He didn’t ( Sorry Manualman). Its been used for some time. What is new to me is that there are some who are now saying, hoe cleavage is titilating, whatever.
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I think hoe means something to me that it doesn’t to you. If it doesn’t, what does hoe mean in this context?
 
Inquiringperson said:
Just a thought. Also, are bikinis immodest along with sleeveless dresses?
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Is wearing immodest clothing a sin?

It might be… depending on the wearer’s intent. The problem is a lot of people here on this conservative Catholic site think certain clothes are “immodest” when they really are not (such as jeans for example).

As for bikinis, they can be immodest depending on where they are worn. If they are worn to the beach or the pool, they are not immodest… if they are worn to the grocery store, then yes, absolutely they are immodest.
When a person uses such a form of dress in accordance with its objective function we cannot claim to see anything immodest in it, even if it involves partial nudity. Whereas the use of such a costume outside its proper context is immodest, and is inevitably felt to be so. For example, there is nothing immodest about the use of a bathing costume at a bathing place, but to wear it in the street or while out for a walk is contrary to the dictates of modesty ~ Pope John Paul II.
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As for sleevelessness, I don’t see that being immodest for any situation… I don’t see how there can be anything scandalous about a pair of arms. Maybe they used to be inappropriate in some cultures back in the day, but not anymore. 🤷

I look to JPII and his wisdom when considering modesty of dress, and I suggest you do the same. I think doing so is much wiser than taking advice from the extreme conservative mindset on here when it comes to clothing.

When it’s a hot day out and I’m going for a walk in the park, I wear jean shorts and a tank top.

When I’m going for a 2 mile run in the middle of a summer day, I wear a sports top and gym shorts.

When it’s cold I wear sweat pants or jeans and a jacket.

When I go to Church I wear dress pants, a dress, or a skirt.

When I go to the beach I wear a bikini.

As the blessed late pope said, it all depends on time/place. 👍
 
austenbosten said:
Well you can happy to know I’m not one. I don’t blame them, I just simply say they don’t help me out at all. It’s like a recovering alcoholic whose husband still drinks, he isn’t to blame, but he sure doesn’t help her out at all.
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Seems to be – you are still holding others accountable for your weakness.
 
LemonAndLime said:
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severus68:
He didn’t ( Sorry Manualman). Its been used for some time. What is new to me is that there are some who are now saying, hoe cleavage is titilating, whatever.
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I think hoe means something to me that it doesn’t to you. If it doesn’t, what does hoe mean in this context?
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I think severus68 – meant toe.
 
LemonAndLime said:
I think hoe means something to me that it doesn’t to you. If it doesn’t, what does hoe mean in this context?
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Sorry, it was a typo, too late to edit. I was trying to type “shoe”. To me a hoe is a gardening tool.
 
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