Is Yahweh and El the same God of the Bible?

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Is the Judeo-Christian God LORD YAHWEH (the Father of Lord Jesus Christ) (with Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit in Holy Trinity God)

and

El the Canaanite God (Husband of Asherah and has 70 sons)

the same God?
 
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Please reply to my thread, I need your help. I’m really confuse right now.

I’ve been studying this for months.
 
The Canaanite God El is not the same as the Israelite God YHWH. However, some Israelite traditions also used the word El to refer to God in scripture, so references in the Bible to El and YHWH (or who is referred to as LORD in Scripture) refer to the same one God.
 
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But the God that we Christians worship, that is the LORD YAHWEH.

The LORD YAHWEH is not the Canaanite El right?

Nor it is his father?
 
I’m talking abuot if it is the same God or El is the father of the LORD YAHWEH?
 
Our God does not have a “father” or a “wife”. The Caananite religion and many other ancient polytheists were in error.

Trying to differentiate between the meanings of the different names and titles of our God can be very confusing, because sometimes they overlap with other ancient cultures who had a similar language. Be careful with what you read.

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I’m talking abuot if it is the same God or El is the father of the LORD YAHWEH?
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We do not believe in any pantheon. There is one God who exists eternally and forever without a before or after, without beginning or end, without peer. This is not the Canaanite God (nor is there any real god that the Canaanites worshipped). Yhwh, El, Elohim, and a few other names in Scripture are used to refer to him the Hebrew/Israelite/Jewish/Christian God.
 
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kyokushin723 said:
Is the Judeo-Christian God LORD YAHWEH (the Father of Lord Jesus Christ) (with Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit in Holy Trinity God)

and

El the Canaanite God (Husband of Asherah and has 70 sons)

the same God?
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At the time the text took place? No probably not. After three thousand years of rationalizing and harmonizing? Yeah probably.
 
We know from the Bible itself that many of the Israelites strayed from their religion and syncretized with their neighbors, including the Canaanites which they did not entirely displace. That religious inconsistency (in terms of who the people were worshipping) is brought up multiple times before the Assyrian and Babylonian exiles and are presented as frequent issues. So the picture is kind of complicated. But the word El is more than a name, it’s kind of like a language’s generic word for God. And in Scriptures both the names YHWH and El are used for the Jewish and Christian God.
 
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kyokushin723 said:
I’m talking abuot if it is the same God or El is the father of the LORD YAHWEH?
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Yes, they are the same God. The God of the ancient Israelites was known by several different names.
I think you will find it duly explained in the article I linked to in the Jewish Encyclopedia.
 
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El is the Hebrew word “God”.
Yahweh is God’s personal name.
(translated into English, it’s “I am Who am” or just “I am” (see Exodus 3:13-14)

It’s comparable to Jesus being God incarnate’s personal name.

The Hebrew “el” could be used for other gods also, just as we use the word “god” for things other than our Triune God. (eg. Phil. 3:19 )

The Jews consider God’s personal name so holy that they do not speak it. At some point they ceased printing it in their Scriptures (except perhaps for the above 2 verses in Exodus - but I’m not sure about it. Maybe someone else can answer that.) Where God’s personal name YHWH appeared, they replaced it with Lord. In our English Old Testament, whenever you see LORD spelled with all capital letters, it is where YHWH would occur.
Here’s an interesting article on “Yahweh” from the online Catholic Encyclopedia.
 
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kyokushin723 said:
Is the Judeo-Christian God LORD YAHWEH (the Father of Lord Jesus Christ) (with Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit in Holy Trinity God)
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When God revealed His name to Moses, the Jews did not know of God’s triune nature. When Jesus came, He identified Himself with the Father and Holy Spirit. He also associated God’s name, “I am” with Himself on quite a few occasions - John 8:58 stands out for me - “before Abraham was, I am.” (13 Bible verses about The I Am's Of Christ)
So, I would say “Yahweh” is the name for our Triune God - One God in three Persons - Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
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El the Canaanite God (Husband of Asherah and has 70 sons)

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No, it is not the same God as our Judeo Christian God.
The name Yahweh would never apply to any of the multitude of pagan gods.
 
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Yahweh is God’s personal name.
(translated into English, it’s “I am Who am” or just “I am”
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Actually, “I am” is “Ehyeh”. “Yahweh” is more like “He is”.

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Thanks.
The Hebrew text (transliterated) on my Bible software shows:
'ehyeh 'aser 'ehyeh … 'ehyeh … (Uses the same word in all three places)

From what I’ve been able to glean from online sites, is that the apostraphe type symbol before the ehyeh is the 10th letter of the Hebrew alphabet and sounds like our Y.

Very interesting article on the letters used in the tetragrammaton:
https://www.yaiy.org/literature/SpellSacredName.html
 
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From what I’ve been able to glean from online sites, is that the apostraphe type symbol before the ehyeh is the 10th letter of the Hebrew alphabet and sounds like our Y.
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No, the apostrophe stands for the glottal stop that in olden days used to ride on the aleph. The yod can stand for itself; it needs no substitutes.

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One popular theory among biblical experts is that the Israelites who came out of Egypt merged with a group of Canaanite exiles. This theory is supported by the fact that the early Israelites debated about which God to follow as well as the advanced farming techniques for newly freed desert people. Now, those Canaanite exiles worshiped the chief god in their pantheon, El. In the Hebrew religious tradition, the suffix -el means of God. Isra-El, Micha-El, Gabri-El, Rapha-El.

Now is El the same God as the God of Israel? The Jewish conception of God evolved over time. The early Israelites believed that multiple gods existed, even though they chose to worship only one God (the God). It wasn’t until the exile that the Jews became fully monotheistic, rejecting other gods as not only lesser, but false. It is also worth noting that El’s wife Asherah was conceived of as the wife of the God of Israel for a time, until Asherah’s idols were forbidden from the Temple. It was rare for men in the ancient times to not marry (see Jeremiah). Male gods certainly had wives. So, it would not be unusual for some Jews to have believed that their God had a wife too. Of course as Israel began to conceive of God not as a God but the God, these cultural additions ceased out of favor.

So, did the early Israelites view El as the God of Israel? The God of Israel was not conceived of El in the exact same manner, but we see the Canaanite influence on Israelite conceptions of God. It would be likely that the Canaanite exiles conceived of El as the same God as the Israelites. Additionally, the ancient Israelites would probably alter stories about El and mold them to fit with their conception of the world. However, we see the God of Israel do so much more than El. We also see God tell the Israelites not to worship Him in the same manner that other gods, including El, were worshiped. The Jewish conception of God changed and grew over time as Scripture was revealed. I think this growth reflects God’s patience and love for humanity as our limited minds try to grow closer to the Ineffable Creator.
 
I understand that it can be used in more than one way. But one of the ways is definitely for a “y” according to several of the Hebrew English transliteration charts. Some examples:
Example 1

Example 2: (scroll down a bit to the chart - which is just for the tetragrammaton. The content of the article is really interesting also.)

Example 3
 
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kyokushin723 said:
Is the Judeo-Christian God LORD YAHWEH (the Father of Lord Jesus Christ) (with Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit in Holy Trinity God)

and

El the Canaanite God (Husband of Asherah and has 70 sons)

the same God?
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No.

Elohim and Yahweh … are used to refer to God (and never a human-fathered and married-human)

The Trinity is God, His Word, and His Spirit

the Elohist (or simply E ) is one of four source documents underlying the Torah,[4] together with the Jahwist (or Yahwist), the Deuteronomist and the Priestly source. The Elohist is so named because of its pervasive use of the word Elohim to refer to the Israelite god.
 
My view is the various names refer to the Three Persons of the Trinity; and to various attending angels the three spoke thru.
 
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