Is your parish ready for the new translation?

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I’m afraid mine doesn’t seem to be. Here’s the exchange that happened at the end of mass, at the point when our priest usually gives a last minute announcement or makes some funny comment for a laugh.

Priest (smiling): Ok folks, let’s practice for next Sunday. The Lord be with you.

People: And also with you.

Priest (still smiling): No, how it will be next Sunday. The Lord be with you.

People: And also with you.

Priest (no longer smiling and sounding a little exasperated): No, and with your spirit.

People: murmer murmer murmer

Priest: Remember, we’re starting the new translation next Sunday.

People: murmer murmer murmer

Teenager next to me (sounding outraged): What, they’re changing the mass?!

So much for all the announcements, the talks offered after mass, some new musical mass parts announced to be for the new translation, and the bulletin inserts including a big packet one week going through all the changes. Granted this was the Vigil Mass crowd and the talks after mass were after the Sunday morning mass, so maybe more of the regular Sunday massgoers attended the talks. I wasn’t able to make them so I don’t know how well attended they were.

I’m really hoping next Sunday isn’t as rough as I’m fearing it will be.
 
Matthew_Holford said:
I think next weekend could prove to be interesting.
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Unfortunately not here. We are delayed by a year. However, during that time it will be interesting to hear how everyone else is doing and what problems/issues arise, if any, that I might be able to pass on to the priests at our parish. It might help them prepare.

It might be easier here as we have a screen at Mass where the people can read the prayers.
 
thistle said:
Unfortunately not here. We are delayed by a year. However, during that time it will be interesting to hear how everyone else is doing and what problems/issues arise, if any, that I might be able to pass on to the priests at our parish. It might help them prepare.

It might be easier here as we have a screen at Mass where the people can read the prayers.
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We are planning on having someone at the cantor’s lectern to lead the responses so that it won’t be so confusing. If there is a voice coming through the sound system people, even if they start with the wrong words, they will hear the correct ones and can adjust.
 
Meh, it’s going to be messed up for a while. If you put your mind to it and look over the order of mass for a few days before Nov. 27, you’ll be alright. It’s not really that different.
 
We have had a paragraph or two in the Bulletin for several weeks and a brief teaching at the masses. One of the priests gave an extended discussion one evening; I haven’t heard how well that was attended. A handout listing the significant lines and responses is available in a couple of places in the church.

I expect that most will still be very confused. :eek:
 
thistle said:
Unfortunately not here. We are delayed by a year. However, during that time it will be interesting to hear how everyone else is doing and what problems/issues arise, if any, that I might be able to pass on to the priests at our parish. It might help them prepare.

It might be easier here as we have a screen at Mass where the people can read the prayers.
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I would think in the Phillipines the langague would be Tagalog anyway?
 
Sounds like:

Priest: The Lord be with you.

Us: And also with you…(general confusion)…your spirit.

😛

We have the screens and we need them for the creed especially. We did the new confeitor and since I normally close my eyes, I didn’t realize it was the new one and had to open my eyes and read the screen.

I just feel so anxious for the C&E Catholics, they are going to feel like idiots and out of place. It’s kind of not fair for them.
 
We are ready! We have been practicing for weeks. Our parish is getting new hardbound hymnals. It is called, The St Michael Hymnal. The way that the parish is going to pay for these is to ask people to donate $20* “For $20, you can donate a St. Michael Hymnal to help pilgrims to lift their voices in prayerful song. With your gift, you may remember or honor a loved one with a Bookplate announcing the dedication in a hymnal.” *
 
andrewstx said:
I would think in the Phillipines the langague would be Tagalog anyway?
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No. Almost all Masses are in English.
We have 10 Masses every Sunday. 9 are in English and 1 is in Tagalog.
The country has 87 dialects. Filipino is the official national language which is comprised almost entirely tagalog but the various provinces speak different dialects. The people cannot communicate between dialects. The common language is English and it is also the language of education in schools.
 
Most of our parishioners got their first look at the new translation last week when the pew cards and the “Celebrate in Song” were put in the pews. This week there’s no Mass so I don’t know how many will show up for the Liturgy of the Word with Communion. We have no priest around so there is only one Mass left before the new translation comes into effect, the one on Thursday evening if the priest we are expecting makes it in. We’re still waiting for confirmation from the bishop that we have done things right regarding posture, etc. I think that will be the hardest part for most. The responses can be read, the gestures have to be remembered.
 
Our pastor has slowly been adding changes.

I think the biggest shock will be for those who only come at Christmas! 😉
 
We have been well prepared but I know there still will be some confusion. We have been singing the new Gloria for some time. The last Feast Day during the week when there was no music, I found myself mixing the two up. (We said the old one that will be different on St. Andrew’s Feast)

I hope to be patient myself. I also hope that we don’t get a lot of posts here complaining the priest used the “Christ has died…” when it isn’t suppose to be used and instead give him time as well, Not every cling to the “old” means a rebellion to the “new”,
 
I knew since August 2010 the existence of the Revised Roman Missal will be implemented. I even shared this to the Priest-Chairman of Archdiocesan Liturgical Commission of San Fernando (Pampanga), with Sacred Licentiate in Liturgy.

I believe there were already series of meetings regarding these changes in the liturgy, known to all [arch]dioceses in the Philippines. Last August 2011, the Liturgical Commission of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Manila released the Catechetical Primer for the New English Translation of the Roman Missal.

Oh by the way, I believe most of you are implementing the changes next week, the First Sunday of Advent. I believe most [arch]dioceses in my country would implement this on the first Sunday of December, which is the Second Sunday of Advent.

In my Archdiocese, there would also be a 4-hour talk on the upcoming implementation of the Revised Roman Missal on November 26, Saturday, in a University managed by the Archdiocese, which is near the seminary.

Parishes would definitely flash the new responses as well to their projection equipment.

However, I observed that certain Mass guides or misalettes made by the religious (in particular, Society of St. Paul - SSP and Salesians of Don Bosco - SDB) never included the new responses. I found that out from their Adobe PDFs in their sites, plus the hard copies of St. Paul’s in my area.

However, St. Paul’s have certain hardbound copies of the Revised Roman Missal, both in Latin and English.

I am not certain about translations made besides English though.
 
marytk said:
I hope to be patient myself. I also hope that we don’t get a lot of posts here complaining the priest used the “Christ has died…” when it isn’t suppose to be used and instead give him time as well, Not every cling to the “old” means a rebellion to the “new”,
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Our former pastor was wise and got rid of “Christ has died…” early this year. He was aware of the upcoming change and decided to regularly use one of the other three responses.

The thing that is going to be difficult at Masses with no singing is knowing which of the responses the priest wants us to use at the Memorial Acclamation. One of the Canadian adaptations in the 1975 Sacramentary was the different introductions to the Memorial Acclamation based on which response was expected. I think Canada may have been the only country that had those. As far as I know they haven’t carried that into the Roman Missal.
 
Phemie said:
Our former pastor was wise and got rid of “Christ has died…” early this year. He was aware of the upcoming change and decided to regularly use one of the other three responses.
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The same thing for my regular parish. I think that this was really smart thinking!👍

Just about every parish in my area has had extensive information offered on the upcoming new translation.
Our Bishop even allowed us to use some new parts w/ the new musical settings for the past month in anticipation of the revised missal,
and still people seem to be pretty clueless. 😊
Unfortunately, as the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water…😉

It will be an interesting transition, but the one thing the new traslation will do is cause all of us to “slow down”,
and that IMHO, will be a good thing!😃
 
The parishes I have gone to, we have practiced the parts & gradually started to use them that are sung like the Gloria, Sanctus, Memorial Acclamation, and the Agnus Dei. The parishes either have projectors on a big screen or handouts depending on where I’ve been in the past few months. We have not practiced the other parts for the people like the Creed, etc. I am sure there will be handouts available next week, and will be there for some time. It will be a shock for those who rarely go to Mass that will have to learn the new responses at Christmas.
 
We have had very little in advance, and that is probably just as well. Our pastor explained a few weeks ago that the Mass was NOT changing…that it was simply the words in some of the prayers that were changing. He assured people that they would get used to it, and that we would have pew cards to help us out.

Today, he mentioned again that the changes would go into effect next Sunday. He said that he was hopeful the new changes would cause us to think about what we are saying (which we should have been doing all along, but…) That we would have pew cards, that he would have a pew card, and that if we didn’t laugh at him when he messed up, he wouldn’t laugh at us. He assured us that we would all get used to it.

So ready or not…

I was at a parish where they tried “practicing” the new responses during the homily. I found it a bit condescending. We will learn them by using them, just as we’ve learned other changes. Those of us who go to Daily Mass will probably learn them faster.
 
I think we’re ready! Choir has been introducing the new Mass settings for the Gloria and the Holy Holy etc - and we’ve been using little pew cards for the creed and confetior - we’ll see next week when we struggle to stop saying ‘and also with you’ though 😉

I feel for the priests - they have a lot of new prayers to learn - much more than the congregation.

My hope is that we’ll soon get to the point where we forget what the old responses were - and in the meantime having to think before we speak may be a good thing!
 
My parish has hardly said a word about the changes, and no mention of what the specific changes will be, which I find weird. We have had a handout in the bulletin every week explaining the history of various Mass translations, but nothing about what will specifically change next Sun. Last week, the pastor did say one change would be the word “consubstantial” and explained what that meant. More of a vocabulary lesson than anything else. He also said some people prefer to go into the water a little at a time, but he prefers to jump in all at once, which perhaps explains the closed-mouthness about the changes. The whole diocese appears to be that way, though. Our diocesan newspaper has had a letter from the bishop in each edition for the last few months talking about the history of the Mass and there was one article about the reasons for the changes, but nothing listing the specific changes. FINALLY, the regular, secular local newspaper had an article about the changes in the religion section last week where they actually listed the changes in the people’s responses.

I did find the new translation of the entire Mass online at the national Catholic bishops’ website (USCCB).

I also went to the local Catholic goods store to ask about buying a new Missal and was told they won’t be in until the end of the month. But, uh, we start next week… Hopefully, they will have the new Missalettes in the pews with the new responses, but since most people don’t use the Missalette, I suspect no one will say the new words except a few people who will be drowned out by the others who are clueless. The priests can’t really complain, though, since they haven’t told us any differently.

Oh, and I checked Amazon for a new Missal, but the only ones they list appear to be the old translation. They did offer some books explaining the changes, but not any actual new Missals. The website for Catholic Book Publishing Co. had some which appeared to be the new translation (though it didn’t specifically say that they were) which will be available Dec. 15. Again, hello, but we start using this translation Nov. 27. I can’t understand the secrecy. Anyway, next week should be entertaining. I just hope those new Missalettes are there, so I will at least say the right things.
 
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